18:13:50 Right? The United States of America. And to the republic for which it stands.
18:13:55 One nation, under God. Individual liberty and justice for all.
18:14:04 Am. We need the consent to the agenda.
18:14:18 Um. The… I'll make a motion… have you read the minutes? Have you had a chance to look at the minutes? I got about halfway through here. Okay.
18:14:26 If you get a chance to move the minutes? That's sort of, uh… Okay, so I'll make a motion to approve the minutes.
18:14:36 Agreed. Oh, wonderful.
18:14:39 Page 3, it says, Julie from Skippet Flay on Judy. You want to fix it. I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you, please.
18:14:47 On page 3, that's… Julie from Civic Flade.
18:14:54 And it was, um… A comment about the survey that you're going to send around?
18:15:01 Um, unless there's another Julie, and I'm just gonna… There is. There is a guy, I apologize, I'm sort of… That's Julie with the accent.
18:15:10 It was speaking in philosophy. I got it right here, I just thought, good.
18:15:14 Okay, well, we're going to follow the agenda that we have here, I believe.
18:15:21 One of the things I wanted… take a minute here to say, to point out.
18:15:27 We've got a lot of work we've got to get done tonight.
18:15:29 What we need to do is… We have, uh… people that are on the agenda to speak.
18:15:37 It's going to have to be limited to 3 minutes. I think it's the only way we can get it done. We can't keep going back and forth, we have to make a statement and get it done, and then move forward.
18:15:51 So… Betty, you have a financial report, you want to go…
18:15:57 It's… The second, um, set of papers, first page.
18:16:04 Um, it's from June 14th. To August 11, 2025.
18:16:11 Um, as you can see, our starting balance was $381,000. In the money market account, and $5,000 in the checking.
18:16:20 We transferred $41,000 out. To the, um, checking account to pay bills, whatever.
18:16:27 And then we had permanent income of $1,000. Interests of $659, and from Palm Beach County, $16,783.
18:16:37 So that gave us a total of 404, 311-13. And as you can see, all these expenses below…
18:16:45 Um, those were the payouts. Of $34,014.
18:16:50 Leaving us about 364.026. 77.
18:17:01 The residents for the trim that's on down. Okay, do we want to… Do we want to work… let's go ahead and do that and get the set.
18:17:10 Okay, the second page behind the financial report. I went back and did… I redid the sheets from the last meeting.
18:17:19 So, the first column is our budget that we're working in.
18:17:25 The second column is actual expenditures through August 11th. And then what I've projected for, uh, the rest of the year, which is just September, basically.
18:17:35 Now, the bottom, I have entered $34,000 down there to do the canal maintenance.
18:17:41 Um, there was 19,000… We got a quote to do the north…
18:17:48 The North Canal that runs north, uh, the North Canal, which runs.
18:17:51 East and West, South Canal, which runs. East and west, and the squigglies.
18:17:57 Those were in north and south. And then Eric said there was a project that he had to get done.
18:18:02 And we don't have a quote on that, so I had to.
18:18:05 Kind of guess at that, and I put in $15. I think Carrie said he really didn't think it'd be that much, but we don't know.
18:18:13 So, and that's getting it done in this year. So, um, anyway, the total expenses for September will be the.
18:18:23 44,000, excuse me. 40, yeah, $44,992.98.
18:18:28 So, the fourth column over will be the total projected expenditures for the year.
18:18:36 And then the, um… Next to the last column, where it says over and under, you can see how we're over or under our budget.
18:18:43 So, that being said, the total projected column, the fourth column over.
18:18:49 I use that to base this year's. Because, um, we had a change in some of the, um.
18:18:58 Expenditures that we're gonna have to… pay out for… Um, the… the paving or the engineer, whatever it may be, there's been a change, so…
18:19:08 I've done it based… I didn't have to come up with the extra money.
18:19:12 So I've redone the budget. And, uh, you can look it over.
18:19:16 Um, the top is doing 235 for the residential, 45 for.
18:19:22 Agriculture, and doing that, we still should, if we don't go over our budget.
18:19:28 Should put 98,415 in reserve. So, um, then our total expenditures should be $183,217.
18:19:39 Next year.
18:19:48 Because at the last meeting, Eric said that we're gonna have.
18:19:52 Charges for him, and that we need to put in at least 10… Yeah.
18:20:00 Okay.
18:20:14 Last meeting, when we were talking about the assessments, and we'll put it up so high that the 235.
18:20:19 Was suggested that after you did a comprehensive, take a look at it, that we might be able to come back and lower it. We did.
18:20:25 We, we did. That's what that is. That's where we are.
18:20:30 3.35. We try. We really try.
18:20:37 Okay, yeah. All right. So…
18:20:50 So then, to set… we're at the point of setting trim. So, so based on the budget, based on what we have, we believe this is a… a reasonable way to…
18:21:00 To move forward, and uh… So, we would set the trim at 235.
18:21:06 $235 for rustic Ranches, and 45 for ag, and… water management.
18:21:16 Didn't I have that in my paper here? It's… it's right here on the second page, up at the top, right there. Okay.
18:21:21 All right. So… I would make a motion, I guess, to…
18:21:31 To, uh, accept the budget as is set to trim at $235.
18:21:37 Second. Second, third? Okay. Okay.
18:21:41 So it's 2.35… for land owners.
18:21:46 The ag would be… 45, and then management, 45, okay.
18:21:52 Okay. All right.
18:22:01 I try to have the attorney here tonight to go over some things, some questions that I'd had.
18:22:07 Uh, concerning moving forward on the road program.
18:22:16 Sorry.
18:22:25 There were some questions that had come up. I can tell you what he is able to tell me. First of all, uh…
18:22:43 Okay.
18:22:51 I can read the questions. I was going to try to get them printed out. I'll just read the questions that I have, and I will… basically address that. Uh, in the discussion I had with him.
18:23:04 Um, we… We determined that the mandate.
18:23:09 By the court to Pine Tree to maintain the roads, uh… puts us in a position where this is what we… this is why we are where we are, and why we're moving forward.
18:23:19 We're probably… we are, as I understand it, the only. Water control district that is responsible for maintaining roads.
18:23:30 Um, so… what I wanted to find out, if we could use taxpayer funds in order to do redesign and construction on the new Horst Pass and existing swales that are under.
18:23:41 The maintenance of pine tree, and… Basically, in the research he's had, yes, we can… we can do that. We can spend the money.
18:23:49 To move forward with that. Um.
18:23:53 There was a question of the roads being on private property. This was brought up by somebody, I believe, one of the other meetings.
18:24:01 What the legal liability would be to the property owners if someone would be injured by riding on those trails.
18:24:08 And basically, because of the easement, uh. That we have for the roads.
18:24:15 That pretty much… would cover the liability.
18:24:19 There… there is, um…
18:24:29 Okay. I guess… The road right away is 60 feet, yeah, but… but what we're…
18:24:39 There's been a question on what the liability would be in terms of the horse trails, and.
18:24:44 The 60 feet would include the, uh… Yeah, not just me. But that's the easement that we have there. Because there's… there is an easement.
18:24:55 Uh, we… we, um… the liability.
18:25:00 The same as the roads. If somebody has an accident on the front of your house, you're not necessarily liable for it, so… So that is a move forward, I believe.
18:25:11 Um. The other question I have, and it was a question on the procedure that's used by.
18:25:17 By Pine Tree for collecting the proxies. And voting in the annual meeting. Um…
18:25:24 And according to what he has come back and said, he has told me that the proxies.
18:25:31 Uh… the… As long as there is an email.
18:25:36 A… a, uh, text. Uh, or even a note.
18:25:40 Granting permission for a proxy, that that is what they use in all of the.
18:25:46 Districts that he is… is working with, is familiar with. Now, I know that there's been a question about the proxies.
18:25:55 Um… I'm trying to… I wish he would have been here tonight to be able to explain this fully, and I will try to get this in writing.
18:26:03 So… but in going forward, if we need to do anything, if we need to change.
18:26:08 How we accept proxies, we can do that going forward. But… I don't think, at this point in time, I don't think that's anything…
18:26:18 That we should go back and change the elections. We had the elections, they've been certified, they've been done.
18:26:26 I don't want to really… beat on that subject. I know that there's a lot of different, uh…
18:26:33 Opinions here, but I think for the sake of moving forward.
18:26:37 Um, I'm gonna accept that. What's that?
18:26:44 Who said those votes were good? We did it the way we have done it for years.
18:26:51 Okay. Okay, alright, alright, alright. And I'm not gonna get… I'm just trying to move forward. I'm just trying to… I'm telling you what I've… I'm telling you what I've taken time to research and find.
18:27:00 Well, I don't think… I don't think… I don't think moving forward.
18:27:04 They're not addressing the issue, Terry.
18:27:06 And we're getting… we're getting timely feedback on that, aren't we? Okay, I'm sorry. Okay.
18:27:12 No, that's a… That was somebody else. I think the same person certified it, uh…
18:27:20 The most previous by the most recent election that certified that it won a year ago.
18:27:24 All of them, yeah, yeah. Okay, alright. Yeah, we're done. Okay.
18:27:30 So… That's… what is the process for certifying it? What are you… We were at the meeting.
18:27:40 I'm answering. Okay, I thought you did. Do you think we should go back up to the podium?
18:27:48 Okay, this is what I wanted to say. The process for certification, I'm sure that all of you are trustworthy, but what are you looking for on the, um…
18:27:58 Proxy? Is there somebody there that Ashley, kind of like… Um, remember when they were doing that stupid chat stuff at the Palm Beach County?
18:28:06 25 years ago. No, I don't. It's not irrelevant. That's irrelevant.
18:28:14 You just said there are several things that had to be there, like, um… What exactly are… when you looked at all of the proximates, did you look at the name? Did you look at the address?
18:28:23 Did you look at the signature? Did you look at the date? What are the… processes that you go through to certify each one of the proxies.
18:28:32 Betty, what did we do on that? So, I'd like to address that, because there's a statute.
18:28:37 Okay, that regulates. The proxies as it relates to 298. So, the water district right here, Pine Tree.
18:28:47 Basically, 298, and the eyes of the state. And if you look at 298.11, that chapter of the statues… You know what, I did look at that, but not this year, last year. It specifically talks about the guidelines and the parameters.
18:29:03 About frosts. And it's specifically because it says right there, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.
18:29:13 Yeah, formula proxies. She'll comply with 607.0732.
18:29:20 But that's what 298 says. So then, you need to collect 126 or 7, 0722. Coming back to me that I did do all this last year because of all of the concerns from last year's election. Correct. And the Florida statute, the right there is very clear.
18:29:35 So there's only electronic forms. And what is it, electronic? Specifically defines email in online forms.
18:29:44 And then it also, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, can I hold? Yeah, yeah, let's… why don't we come up to the podium and, and we're gonna… we're gonna stop the outbursts.
18:29:55 I'm just gonna stop it. We just can't get anything done, and everybody's arguing and talking over everybody else.
18:30:01 We're not gonna do it anymore. So, the legislation is very clear, and I'm not an attorney.
18:30:06 But it doesn't say anything about notes being accepted. Or emails being sent to myself.
18:30:14 And using those emails to myself to put a note that somebody to write.
18:30:19 That somebody gave an approval. According to the legislation, that's not the case.
18:30:24 So, the notion that notes are accepted here is completely false.
18:30:30 And I'll be happy to, uh… get with the tournament, but I think the attorney needs to do some research.
18:30:35 Because the integrity of the elections. Has to be 100% unquestionable.
18:30:43 Because those elections need to reflect the will of the owners.
18:30:47 And right now, if we have proxies. That after the audit.
18:30:52 Or after the vote, were not certified, we don't know who certified the election.
18:30:57 We don't know who went through this thing. There were some other inconsistencies in terms of the amount of acres.
18:31:03 That were submitted with some of the proxies as well. That was later revised after the election took place.
18:31:09 And after the name was named. And so… I'm sorry, but the situation with the proxies right now.
18:31:19 Doesn't pass the smell test. Okay.
18:31:25 What are we saying? They had to have been signed? I… that's what I'm trying to figure out.
18:31:32 That is for you guys to figure out. You just brought up… you just brought up a statue. Yes. Okay.
18:31:39 So, what does the statute say? The statues… well, you can… you can read it, but it says… It says, well…
18:31:47 I'm paraphrasing, but 607… Is that 607? 607… uh, 607-. 0722… Specifically speaks about online forms.
18:31:59 And it describes the forms. It says email is okay. Or a website form.
18:32:05 Or a properly. Signed, um, proxy.
18:32:10 A properly assigned proxy being either notarized. Or a proxy where there is a signature, and that signature happens to be on file.
18:32:19 With… with the Water District. Okay, and, and, in addition to that.
18:32:27 The regulation says that if a proxy is accepted. Even if the proxy is… not in compliance, the proxy has a lifespan of 11 months.
18:32:37 So the same proxy, if it is not… if it doesn't pass this mail test, for lack of a better word.
18:32:44 But if it is accepted, that proxy has a lifespan of 11 months.
18:32:49 And that's the situ… that's mainly. My concern. The 11 months, not to mention that there is others.
18:32:56 Here, that obviously are… Uh, not getting the warm and fuzzy about the election that took place.
18:33:02 So this goes… CSOC7 is on, uh… It's a line item.
18:33:08 It's not… it's paragraph number 2 of section 29811. There's 29811, and there's 29812.
18:33:17 29812. Yes. Correct. Yeah. Correct. Yeah, and there's also, you know, I believe there's a…
18:33:25 There's a law on signatures, still. A signature could be an F…
18:33:33 It doesn't have to be in cursive, it could be print, it could be cursive, it could be an emblem.
18:33:37 It could be acknowledgement. Has anybody looked into that, uh…
18:33:43 And to what a signature is and isn't. Because nowadays, you can just put an X.
18:33:49 And that could be your signature. Acknowledgement could be a signature.
18:33:57 Well, I'm just bringing that up. I mean, I'm not trying to… defend anything here, but I just, you know, maybe…
18:34:03 Okay, he's correct on the Florida Business Corporation Act, that's 607. Right, that is a corporation. We are not a corporation, Pine Tree Water Control District is an independent special district.
18:34:15 We do not have shareholders, like it quotes on 6 or 7.
18:34:20 However, the part that he is correct on is the 6R7.
18:34:24 But if you go to the 607. And you read all of it.
18:34:30 There are parts in here also. If it's determined that the electronic…
18:34:37 Transmission is valid. And pardon me, because my eyes.
18:34:42 The inspectors… of election, or if there are no inspectors.
18:34:48 Each other person's making the determinations, I'll specify the information upon which they relied. Above that.
18:34:56 The electronic… transmission was authorized by the shareholder. We don't have any.
18:35:03 But, um, the fact is. That it's any electronic.
18:35:07 Transmission. So, it's not just anything specific. So, which would cover.
18:35:14 Her email, or would cover her text, or would cover anything else. So there's more to it than just saying, you have to go by this, you have to read everything. So I think that's probably what the.
18:35:28 Ernie did. He probably read. All of it?
18:35:35 Here's a copy of all of it. Okay. I think there's more to it. I think it's moot.
18:35:41 I think, personally. I also think… the 2020 election, you know?
18:35:48 Our election, our United States. You know, how there was some people thought.
18:35:55 Offline, some people thought he didn't, some people thought it was.
18:35:58 The election was, uh… Not quite what it should have been.
18:36:02 But it's over. Has the attorney seen the actual proxies?
18:36:08 No. What I did is I… I… Okay.
18:36:14 I'll be happy to share that proxies that everybody wants to see.
18:36:18 No. Chris, Chris. Wait. No, no, we're going to bring this to a close.
18:36:25 We can sit here and we can argue about this all night.
18:36:28 I'm confident in the conversation that I had with the attorney.
18:36:33 I'm confident in the fact that we have. Done this this way, even while Wellington was.
18:36:41 Uh, running the show, so to speak. Uh, and… I'm… I don't know what is to be gained.
18:36:49 At this point, in the conversation I had with you, Mauricio, is your.
18:36:54 You're okay with this, let's look at moving forward. You said that you're not contesting the election.
18:36:58 Well, I'm not a… I'm not okay… I'm not okay with it, Carrie.
18:37:01 I'm not okay with it, okay? This is the album, I'm not okay with it. I'm not okay with it.
18:37:04 What?
18:37:10 Guys, the way that election went off. That night, it was a sorry election.
18:37:15 Perry can't come in with 200 acres, or 250 acres, and just draw some proxies there when people don't even know what they signed.
18:37:24 Okay, Mauricio, when I signed my proxy, he made sure it was perfect.
18:37:30 He emailed it to me 3 times. Okay? This BS is gonna stop in that neighborhood, guys.
18:37:38 Okay? Terry is not gonna sit there and control that neighborhood.
18:37:44 I'm sorry, I'm having trouble hearing him. You can hear over there.
18:37:52 So, I'll…
18:37:51 No, they can't… they're having technical difficulties.
18:37:59 I'm sorry, Aldo, okay, I can… I'm over where I can hear it now. What did you say?
18:38:04 Okay, I don't agree with what you're saying, that the election was over and we're gonna continue. No.
18:38:11 Okay, guys. I have to go… I'm gonna call you guys back in 15 minutes.
18:38:16 No, we're going to continue with the meeting now, though. I'm sorry.
18:38:17 I'm on a plane. Okay, but I disagree with your election.
18:38:22 Okay. So…
18:38:22 I understand. I understand. I'm trying to get this resolved. I've got to talk to an attorney about it. They're the people who understand it. He knows that he's one of… one of the top, uh, 29… 298 district attorneys.
18:38:37 In the state, as I understand. So, we'll pick it up from there. We have things that we need to move forward with.
18:38:54 So what do we propose? At this point, we've got to move forward, okay? Are we going to stand here and argue about it all night?
18:39:00 You have to get rid of everybody here. Huh? We'd have to get rid of those later. Then maybe we should do that. Oh, serious.
18:39:06 Charlie got voted in the same way. I don't hear anybody complaining about… And so did I, so do you.
18:39:12 And so did I. So, do we close up shop? So did Henry.
18:39:17 That won't upset me at all. So were you, Henry. You were… you were voted the same way.
18:39:25 Yes. And so, you know, I get it.
18:39:32 I just want to say this. I have… I have…
18:39:39 To one of the people that, uh, gave me their passes.
18:39:42 Over the phone, through a text, through an email. And I have those with me.
18:39:50 Mauricio did the same thing with his. He's got an electronic signature on his.
18:39:55 And my electronic signatures are no different. They're absolutely legal. It's been done this way since… Before, uh, Wellington was done with Big Sugar.
18:40:06 Nothing else, and when… I was off the board.
18:40:12 In 2015? It was the same thing with South Florida Water.
18:40:17 It was something with Wellington? They've made some sort of a deal with, uh, South Florida Water, and they put Travis in.
18:40:23 Which is fine. I mean, you win, you lose. And this is over, and this is the way we've done it.
18:40:30 And in everything that I've seen, it's an accepted way of doing it.
18:40:33 I'm not doing anything illegal. And you just don't want to get off the subject.
18:40:38 Okay, let me ask one question. Betty? Maybe you can answer this.
18:40:44 Based on the proxies that Chris had, based on the proxies that Mauricio had.
18:40:51 What's the difference in the vote? Are we talking 1 or 2, or 5, or 10, or 50, or 100? What is the difference?
18:40:59 Let's see, 131-2…
18:41:09 It's in a minute, so just give me a minute. Sorry, I didn't mean to put you on the spot, I just… They reported there are 210 votes for Ruben Ferrazano.
18:41:19 And 131 from a raised jail. I put in all the estimations, I do the legwork as far as.
18:41:30 Do taxes go? I put in all of the proxy numbers for, uh.
18:41:35 It's here, it is here. Okay, from the person that puts you in. I've done nothing wrong, and they're trying to change it because…
18:41:50 In my opinion, is we must be on the board. We could be with Charlie. At this point, what I'm trying to ask is, what's the difference in the vote?
18:41:58 Huh? 79. 79.
18:42:04 It's so important. Uh, I think it's best.
18:42:10 Probably in the last one of the members of the board.
18:42:14 To make a motion to take this to the attorney. And for the attorney, not too many, you know, formulate an opinion.
18:42:22 Based on, he said, she said. But if you look at the proxies.
18:42:27 And do you certify the Indeed that. All those proxies are two.
18:42:32 Are actually properly signed. You didn't even do the legwork on U.S. What are you talking. Excuse me.
18:42:40 So, that is… it's somebody… that's not… they get an integrity of the elections, so for example.
18:42:45 That even if it is right, the way we've done it.
18:42:50 We should have peace of mind. That moving forward, we will continue to do the same. Because right now, according to the statute.
18:42:56 It is not. Well, we're thinking back to the 2024 election, then.
18:43:02 Chris said, well, we had an election. Roxy's getting when we didn't even know who the candidates were.
18:43:11 2024. So… I think you should let it go, and let's move forward.
18:43:16 I would like to do that. What we… So, Mauricio, your suggestion…
18:43:26 You're suggesting we have an attorney. Review the proxies.
18:43:32 And basically put this thing to bed. Proxies review the process to make sure that.
18:43:38 If indeed we're doing the right thing right now. Continue to do it, but he needs to, at the very least.
18:43:46 Look at us. I make a motion that, uh.
18:43:50 We have an attorney review, and put the thing to bed.
18:43:55 You disagree? I would agree that we can have an attorney look at the process that we're doing, and write the process that needs to be done.
18:44:07 I'm not going to go back and go over it again.
18:44:11 That's my… Ruben, you can say… No, I understand. We've been doing it this long.
18:44:18 That if we're gonna change it, and you're off the board, he's off the board, I'm off the board. Yeah, but… No, no, no, yeah, but… That part, I don't care about. What I care about is doing it right. And I agree. That, I'll agree with you.
18:44:30 So, so… So then, then, then let me, let me reword this.
18:44:37 If… Yeah. This election…
18:44:47 Exactly. Exactly. That is what we're… I'll agree with that.
18:44:54 I agree with that. I totally agree with that. That's what I told you, Mauricio. I totally agree with it.
18:45:00 I'm not going to go back to the election. Because some people aren't happy with it.
18:45:13 Why is he on the phone when nobody got… And nobody asks postcards, nobody got notice, and nobody can zoom in.
18:45:22 Yeah, but we never got… nobody that I spoke to or that called me… that a postcard. The cards… apparently it's the post office, because I know Betty sent them out, and there are some people that are on, and some people got the cards.
18:45:40 You got a card? So it's the… it's… it's the post office.
18:45:47 Yes, you have. Go ahead.
18:45:54 Peggy. Peggy here.
18:46:03 It has been done for… 30 years, 40 years, I don't know how long they've worked it.
18:46:08 The pine tree has been, uh, established. 15. 1971 as well.
18:46:15 Um, and I think… that the concerns that are coming out right now.
18:46:24 Are… they have to be addressed, and there needs to be… A thorough study of the processes and the procedures.
18:46:31 And need to be written down. I agree. It requires a lawyer, or an attorney, or whatever, it needs to be done.
18:46:38 And it needs to be done fairly soon. I, however, do not think.
18:46:42 That we're at a time or place. Where we need to start moving people.
18:46:47 From the board, because it has been done this way for so long.
18:46:53 It almost has the… the history of it behind you, um.
18:47:01 And, however, I am firmly in agreement with several of the people here that.
18:47:05 It has to be investigated, and it has to be looked at.
18:47:09 It has to be established. I'm concerned about this. Yeah.
18:47:14 Is that I'm very worried. That should we come to a… point in our moving forward.
18:47:22 On the road situation. That we will be in the same…
18:47:29 Mess that we're in, in terms of proxies, if we allow proxies.
18:47:34 For the voting of whether we're going forward… Yeah, that's not going to happen. I'll address that, but yeah, yeah.
18:47:40 Yeah, I agree with you, but I'll address that, yeah. I don't really know.
18:47:48 Charlie, let's… let's go to my lot. Um, and I know my husband knows Ruben fairly well.
18:47:54 But I just feel that… We need to move.
18:48:01 Swiftly, uh, in determining the correct processes. And they need to be put on the website.
18:48:08 Whatever processes are. I'm assuming that you all have the authority to determine the processes.
18:48:16 Without us having to vote on that, I don't know for sure. I believe we do. I honestly believe that.
18:48:22 For the integrity of this board. For the integrity of the whole Pine Tree District.
18:48:28 Just has to be addressed, and it has to be addressed.
18:48:32 Barely, and Sue. Thank you. Oh, by the way, I'm gonna fail.
18:48:37 I totally agree with you. I don't think anybody disagrees. Okay? Alright.
18:48:42 Can we put this matter to rest? Okay.
18:48:53 Uh, I… okay, uh… I will… I make the motion that we will contact.
18:48:58 An attorney who will work with us to set up. The procedure for proxies.
18:49:04 To be used for election of the board members. Respectively, going forward. Going forward.
18:49:09 Yes. I second. Okay. Alright.
18:49:16 Okay. Uh… while we're talking about voting.
18:49:21 Well, wait a minute. Excuse me, just give me a second.
18:49:26 I had a few things I wanted to say. Okay, well, we… Whatever you want to come in here, or…? No, whenever you want.
18:49:35 Okay. Uh… So, the road update is next on the agenda. However, that falls in with.
18:49:46 The reason most of us are here, in terms of the road committee, um… Uh, we have a presentation that Mauricio's gonna do.
18:49:55 Uh, before we do that, uh, Mr. Barnes, are you… are you, um… Is your time okay? Do you want to go ahead and… you're good? Okay.
18:50:05 Okay, thank you. I'm sure you appreciate the entertainment.
18:50:17 Zephy for that one. There's that up here?
18:50:24 What TV's she hooked into? Oh, it will. Okay, okay. There we go. There we go.
18:50:33 So, uh… We wanted to give an update.
18:50:38 Um… to the board.
18:50:41 On the initiative of the roads. Let's see. Ratio, pull the microphone over.
18:50:54 Is it turned on? Hello, hello. Okay, there we go. Good.
18:50:59 Alright, so we're gonna make it as quickly as possible. Um…
18:51:09 Perfect. Okay, so… The first thing we wanted to make sure, because there's a lot of questions about this, um, over the last couple of months.
18:51:20 Specifically about the committee. Uh, the committee was established by the board almost 2 years ago.
18:51:29 And, uh… Their primary role is to assess the viability of potentially paving rustic wrenches roads.
18:51:36 Looking at the cost, looking at the options, the timelines. In the procedural requirements. And we feel that's important because.
18:51:46 We want to make sure that the board and the residents are informed.
18:51:50 About the decisions that are gonna be made. Uh, it's important to clarify that the committee's work is solely focused on the assessment.
18:51:58 We're not forcing paving. We're not forcing paving.
18:52:05 But rather providing analysis of its implication. To enable and inform a collective decision by the neighbors.
18:52:15 Um, I want to make sure also that everybody knows that this committee is.
18:52:21 Made of volunteers. Just like the board members, who spend a lot of time.
18:52:28 Uh, resources and efforts trying to get this done. Uh, we feel that these agreements make our communities stronger.
18:52:37 And these agreements should not be something to be used to put neighbor against neighbor.
18:52:43 That's not very nice. That's not what the paving is about.
18:52:48 Pavings should be seen as an opportunity. To make us stronger as a community.
18:52:53 We acknowledge the diverse viewpoints within our community regarding paving. Some residents see benefits.
18:53:01 In value, uh, while others have concerns about change and cost.
18:53:07 Um, we are not here to create conflict. We want to prevent conflict.
18:53:14 All perspectives or value, we encourage respectful, constructive discussions. On the feasibility of this project. No divisive rhetoric.
18:53:26 Um… So… What has been going on, unfortunately.
18:53:32 As I shared with you before, is that neighbor has been put against neighbor.
18:53:39 And that doesn't make us stronger as a community. But that has other implications.
18:53:45 And the other implications is that a lot of the roles.
18:53:48 And the functions that are at play with in our community.
18:53:51 Require volunteers. And you have to be crazy right now.
18:53:57 To join… For instance, the paving committee.
18:54:01 Nobody's gonna want to be a volunteer after all the comments.
18:54:05 Scrutiny… things that are being said.
18:54:09 And so, it doesn't stop with the paving committee. It has implications down the road.
18:54:17 You know, we need to ask ourselves, why is the attendance so low to these meetings?
18:54:23 Right? And why are people not volunteering? And as a small community.
18:54:27 Unless we want to unload tons of cash for every single little thing that we want to do.
18:54:32 We better rely on volunteers, and we better foster an environment.
18:54:37 That is nice to volunteers. Okay?
18:54:42 So, consequences, potential reduced participation and input. Growing indifference and lack of engagement on key issues.
18:54:53 Increased internal conflict. And decline of… in people volunteering. Those are real things. You guys can think that's funny, but those are real.
18:55:02 Our community needs volunteers. If you don't think our community needs volunteers, it should be around, uh…
18:55:08 The time after the tornado. And how people came together.
18:55:13 Neighbor helping neighbor, not neighbor… going against neighbor.
18:55:18 Excuse me, Mauricio. The report that you're doing, is that… Are we gonna… Yes. Are we getting to the numbers where we're getting? Yes, but this is important because… because… Well, it is, but right now we're talking… we want to be unbiased, and we want numbers. I share this presentation with you proactively, you didn't say anything about removing the slides.
18:55:37 About what? About removing these lights that I just went through.
18:55:41 I shared this report with you proactively 5 days ago. Okay. You didn't say anything about removing this, this, the slides.
18:55:49 Alright, so… The first thing that we needed to do as a committee was to understand.
18:55:57 The geotechnical study. On our, um, roads.
18:56:01 We did that, it was a decision that was perfectly… within the guidelines of the board.
18:56:08 I was $20,000 to $30,000, and basically allow us to understand.
18:56:13 The current composition of the ground. And… in doing so.
18:56:19 We actually found out something very interesting called… Crystalline silica.
18:56:27 Crystalline silica. Uh, I'm not gonna go through this slide, but everybody who is here in Rustic Ranches.
18:56:35 Should look into crystalline silica. And the effects that it has on, uh, COPD.
18:56:42 In some other lung diseases. It's rustic wrenches, all that dust.
18:56:47 Half of it is probably crystalline silica. But, again, that's for you guys to look into.
18:56:55 So, let's continue to… we're gonna go jump into the report, and uh… after we had the study performed on the… on the subground.
18:57:06 Uh, we thought that it was a good idea to engage.
18:57:09 Wellington, the village of Wellington. Because there was a project that took place a few years back with a community called Saddle Trail in Wellington.
18:57:18 Where it was actually very similar. They wanted to pave the roads, there was a lot of division.
18:57:23 And so we reach out to, uh, Wellington. To give us, um, a little bit of insight on the Saddle Trail precedent, right? And that's why we reach out to Wellington, is the responsible thing to do.
18:57:35 For the committee to be educated about. What we're trying to do is assess whether this is good or not.
18:57:43 Well, um… I know there was bad blood between Wellington and Rusting Wrenches back in the days.
18:57:50 This is prior to my… to my life here.
18:57:54 But… Wellington has been… If anything, probably trying to make…
18:58:02 Um, the best out of a situation. So they were ready to help us and provide information. We met with them several times.
18:58:10 Uh, in, uh, they provided tools that we needed. To understand the cost of a project?
18:58:17 Even if we don't do it through Wellington. It was never our intention to do the paving through Wellington.
18:58:23 It was our intention to reach out to Wellington so that we could understand more about the project.
18:58:28 And we could probably see what we needed to do if we wanted to do the project ourselves.
18:58:33 But nonetheless, we reach out to Wellington. This is just one little slide that they put together.
18:58:40 But this is the type of stuff that you need. As part of a committee to understand the cost.
18:58:46 And this is something that a volunteer like myself, I don't have the skill set to do that.
18:58:51 And so they put out some… Other different slides and information that save us money and thousands of dollars.
18:58:59 And these are the same slides that actually were presented to us when they.
18:59:04 Actually pitched the project to us. I don't know if that's the right word or not.
18:59:08 This is one of the better slides in one that has… a lot of engineering behind it.
18:59:15 This is probably several thousands of dollars, uh… Um, slide right here, and this is something that they presented in terms of one of the models.
18:59:26 Where they thought that the swell on one side with those.
18:59:31 With those, uh, measurements should be able to manage the water flow that is currently handled by two swells.
18:59:39 In the incline, in the little swell right next to the bridle trail.
18:59:42 This has been amazing information to work with. So that we are informed.
18:59:50 There's another slide that they put together. And again, if you guys remember, this was sometime last year, I think.
18:59:55 And they came up with a figure that, personally, I was shocked with.
19:00:00 I got sticker shocked when I saw that figure. And I know that that is, um…
19:00:07 Pretty much what… how everybody felt. It was about 6 million on the conservative side.
19:00:13 Which translated, basically, into about $324 per month. Or 3,890. I'm paraphrasing, I don't have the actual numbers, but…
19:00:23 Based on that research for $6 million. 324, that's kind of a magic number per year.
19:00:31 There's some other slides right there about numbers. I'm not gonna go through those right now. I'll be sharing this in social media for people to look at.
19:00:40 Also, to show a little transparency on the stuff that we do.
19:00:44 And so… but this one takes the cake. This slide right here.
19:00:50 Because this light… allowed us to understand.
19:00:56 The specs, the specifications of what the project needed. And so with those specifications.
19:01:03 In the amounts, you know, like, the numbers. To each, each, uh, right next to each line item.
19:01:08 We were able to take that information. And start collecting.
19:01:13 Quotes from different vendors. And to our surprise.
19:01:17 Guess who provided this table right here? It was Wellington. And again, this is…
19:01:24 There's a lot of engineering behind the scenes. Um, they are okay.
19:01:29 Actually, with us going to them as a vendor. Almost as an entry, but the amount of support that Wellington has put together for this.
19:01:39 Initiative has been incredible. And I think that's something to build on, because there's so much history, right?
19:01:44 That is bad between our community and Wellington. And I think that Wellington is extending.
19:01:50 Some type of a branch here, and… at the very least, I'm very grateful for it.
19:01:56 So, maybe something positive about this. With those specs, we were able to get some interesting quotes. We actually…
19:02:05 Believe it or not, those specs became available about 3 weeks ago, and over the last 3 weeks.
19:02:10 We have been able to knock on the doors of some of the.
19:02:13 Heavy hitters, uh, Ranger Construction, one of them. Probably the biggest paving company in Palm Beach County, maybe…
19:02:23 Central Florida? South Florida, I don't know. One of the biggest. And after speaking with them and sharing the specs and understanding a little bit more about the roads.
19:02:32 Uh, how the roads… east, west, meaning… Norris, rustic, hollow tree…
19:02:41 Into your path. Those roads running east-west.
19:02:45 Have a better composition. Then the roads going south-north. Skippex and Cotton Trail.
19:02:53 So, the… the work might be a little bit different, but… Ranger seems to think that.
19:03:00 They're gonna be able to do it for a little bit more than 2.1.
19:03:04 Million, which was… an amazing number.
19:03:08 If you look at one of these lights that… You guys wanted me to go through real quickly?
19:03:12 One of those lights specifically deals with misinformation. In how this subject of paving has been used.
19:03:21 To spread misinformation. I've seen on social media comments about $20 million.
19:03:30 About the district being bankrupt and all that. Um, this is a very good number.
19:03:38 Much better than Wellington, sorry, uh, Jim. Uh, but a much better number, very encouraging. We still don't have numbers for the bridal trail.
19:03:46 And we don't have numbers for the swell and the engineering.
19:03:49 The other thing that we got over the last couple of days because of those specs.
19:03:53 Was some amazing number from engineering firms. And all this work that I'm talking about, this takes hours.
19:04:01 This takes a lot of hours. And… I'm not asking for anybody to say thank you or anything, I'm doing it, or we're doing it, because it's a team of people for the community.
19:04:10 But at the very least, I think that it's fair to ask.
19:04:13 Please stop putting neighbor against neighbor. Stop. Um, so in any event, we were able to get some quotes out to engineering firms.
19:04:23 And out of those engineering firms, we actually have. Sauer Engineering? Did I pronounce that right?
19:04:31 And Jorge Hour, the owner, is right here, right now. He was able to provide us an amazing quote.
19:04:40 For $176,000… no, I'm sorry, 106… you reduced the price today, right? I didn't… Once 61.
19:04:50 171. 171, which is probably 25.
19:04:54 Of the quote that we received before for engineering. Um, so… We're almost done, we're gonna go into the… we're gonna land the plane in a few minutes.
19:05:05 Uh, but before we do that, I want to make sure that also we have not been.
19:05:12 Um, closed-minded to just paving. Some of the community members.
19:05:17 Wanted to see if there was some alternative. Ways of paving the road.
19:05:24 And I specifically, um, I had conversations with a company called Eco… Raster.
19:05:30 They have some type of, um… what do you call those things?
19:05:36 They're like little plastic panels. It's like a grid that either can hold concrete or aggregate.
19:05:45 That's the good news. We'll aggregate, I don't know about good news, because, again, the dust might be an issue. Again, concrete is way too expensive.
19:05:52 But once we had conversations with this company. We found out that they're almost double.
19:05:59 The cost of paving. So, unfortunately, not a viable solution. So…
19:06:04 We're gonna land the plane right now. And tell the board and the community where we are.
19:06:11 Right now, we have very, very basic numbers. 2.1 on the paving.
19:06:18 $171,000 on the engineering. We're still waiting on quotes for the, um…
19:06:24 For the, uh, bridal trail. And we're waiting also for quotes on the, uh, swell.
19:06:30 But… at this point, what is needed to pinpoint the price.
19:06:36 The entire price, and I understand cost is a very sensitive issue towards this project.
19:06:41 To understand the actual cost of the whole thing. We need an engineering design report.
19:06:49 In that engineering design report. Is what we were facing.
19:06:54 Uh, north of $500,000 up until a few weeks ago. We went in… we… once we had the specs, we went to other, uh…
19:07:03 Engineering companies, and we have Mr. Zauer. Sour here, with a very good engineering design. That engineering design is needed so that we can then, once we have it.
19:07:16 We can then, uh, RFP in RFQ. Meaning that we're gonna invite vendors to actually.
19:07:24 Make proposals based on those very defined. Engineer specs.
19:07:29 And then after that, if the community is in agreement, or the board is in agreement.
19:07:34 We will need to secure a bond. Which is very simple. We qualify for a bond.
19:07:41 Um, at a very good interest rate. We can also do commercial paper if we want to.
19:07:45 But a bond is… Seems like the way to go. And then after securing the bond, we need to understand who's going to manage the project.
19:07:56 Um… I could be wrong, but I don't see a lot of people volunteering for, uh, money, uh, the managed… of that project, but we need to elect somebody to project manage the project, or hire somebody to manage the project.
19:08:08 And then finally, the project to be executed. So, what are we asking the board today?
19:08:16 We're asking the board to approve. The engineering design cost.
19:08:22 Out of a conversation we had with Wellington last week. They were able to share with us that there is a strategy.
19:08:30 That we can use, so that we don't have to pay for the full design.
19:08:36 Report. We can talk to the engineers. And say, look, get as much as you can.
19:08:41 So we can use that data and use it for the RFP in the RFQ.
19:08:47 Without paying for the whole thing. That was a suggestion from Wellington.
19:08:51 We took that suggestion and presented it to the people, the companies.
19:08:56 That, um, apply or submit a proposal. Jorge being one of them.
19:09:02 And… He is agreeing to do the engineering design.
19:09:08 Enough to get data, to get RFP and RFQ. For 50% of the $171,000 fee.
19:09:16 The other option is to go with Wellington. And they're… uh, engineering cost is obviously a little bit over $500,000, if I'm not mistaken.
19:09:27 And they think they can do it with. At the 30%… level, so 30% of 500,000?
19:09:36 Or 50% of 171. And so, um…
19:09:41 My request to the community? Is that we collaborate respectfully to make informed decisions.
19:09:50 And take this opportunity to. Build a community, and my request for the board.
19:09:56 Is to make a motion. So that we can get this approved.
19:10:01 And then, by the next meeting, we should have… RFQs and RFPs.
19:10:07 That we can present to you guys. So that maybe we have something more tangible to present to the community.
19:10:14 In terms of cost. Thank you.
19:10:24 How do you spell the name of the… company, SZ…
19:10:32 B, thank you in honor. Jorge, how long has your company been in business?
19:10:42 A few? Three? Oh, 13, I'm sorry, my apology, I'm just… okay, 13, okay.
19:10:52 Are you local? Oh, book, okay, okay, okay, alright.
19:11:02 Okay, well, go ahead. Well, I… and I just had a couple questions.
19:11:14 That is not a word. I'm really should be proud that you are representing them.
19:11:18 However… To ask for $171,000 right now, when we have yet to receive.
19:11:27 The survey of the entire community that we were calling. You talking about that?
19:11:34 Would have been in April, might have been the June meeting, might have been both of the meetings.
19:11:39 But we were promised with the fit. They would look at all of the property rolls, they would look at all of the owners.
19:11:45 Couldn't we perceive… Um, a very detailed survey.
19:11:51 And that has not happened. Okay. And I have no confidence in spending $171,000.
19:11:58 If the community is not in the Marina. Okay, okay, all right. You kind of got a little bit ahead of us, but I understand what you're saying.
19:12:09 And I have maintained that, and we've all maintained, that it really needs to be a decision of the community.
19:12:15 And I want to try to make that as… as fair as I possibly can.
19:12:21 Um, so…
19:12:26 And it just kind of… at this point. We don't want to put the cart before the horse.
19:12:33 We're trying to figure out how we can make all of this happen, and happen and move forward.
19:12:38 Uh, first of all, let's talk about. Voting for… whether or not we're going to do the roads. Um…
19:12:46 Now, I've talked with. Mauricio Yakshi yesterday, and we were talking about numbers.
19:12:53 The numbers that we were talking about were a bit less than.
19:12:58 What they are at this point, which I'm a little disappointed. I thought they… it would work a whole lot better.
19:13:04 Uh, but here's the direction I want to go. We'll talk about the numbers in a section.
19:13:10 Um, we will have a vote. Of the landowners. There'll be one vote for each acre owned in the Pine Tree Water Control District.
19:13:20 Sectors 1 and Sector 2, there's 3 sectors. The third sector is pretty much South Florida water.
19:13:25 And that's really not going to be involved. We're gonna do it with numbered paper ballots, with the address of the landowner.
19:13:33 Be distributed by certified U.S. Mail? Landowners that have 15 days to return the ballots.
19:13:42 Any ballot not returned? Within 30 days will be counted as a no vote.
19:13:48 The determination of the vote would be based on a majority of votes returned within 30 days.
19:13:54 And a special public meeting will be held to count the ballots.
19:14:00 Is that… I have a question. Okay. So, any ballot that is not returned?
19:14:09 Will count as a no vote. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no. It will count as no vote. It won't be counted in the total. Correct, gotcha. Correct, yeah. No, so.
19:14:18 I'm gonna pull numbers. It's a qualified vote. Yeah, be disqualified. So if they're… if 200…
19:14:24 200 ballots go out. And we get 150 back.
19:14:29 The percentage will be based on the 150 that we got back.
19:14:33 I believe that's fair, I disagree. Anybody… object to that.
19:14:46 Well, they weren't certi… they weren't certified mail, but you do have a point.
19:14:53 Yes, yeah, yeah. Yes.
19:14:57 For what it's worth. Really? Yeah. So we should… okay, so…
19:15:08 30 days and… what? You're gonna send them out, assume it's gonna take 2 weeks to get there. If you want to put a 45-day limit on it.
19:15:17 But my suggestion would be also that I would want to see this publicly posted on Pine Tree. Oh, yeah. As neighbors, we can… Yes. We can say.
19:15:26 Hey, if you didn't even get your ballot, Joe, go on the website and download it, here's the link. Jane, get the… Well, the bout… Okay, well, the ballots will have to be the ballots. If they don't… if somebody doesn't get it, I… we can make provisions for them to.
19:15:41 Call in so long as we know that there aren't extra ballots floating around, is what I'm… I'm…
19:15:50 I think, you know, I've left emails that didn't get returned for a week or two. I cannot seem to locate a phone number to call and say I need something, so… from that perspective. It makes sense. I think you guys have to find a way to either be reachable when that occurs, and if somebody needs a.
19:16:04 Ticketed ballot to be re… to email to them if it did not show up in the map. Okay. But I mean, clear example, rustic?
19:16:11 16028 rustic gets all my mail, and I get all theirs, and I have a lockbox, so if I'm on vacation for the month.
19:16:16 They can't come over and ask me for their nail. We've tried to have our mail sent up to Pennsylvania, and Ruben gave me a bag full of mail that's been delivered, so believe me, I understand what.
19:16:25 What you're saying. Okay, so then let's agree on 45 days?
19:16:32 Does… does that seem reasonable? Yes, Peggy.
19:16:40 Worst case, 30 days if you're relying on tripping. Okay.
19:16:50 Yes. Yes.
19:16:55 It's in the mailbox. Like, back when I was at work.
19:16:58 You know, um, they will notify you, but if they notify you more than once to come get the certified letter. I don't know.
19:17:07 So if there is a business plan here, you know, because you get, like.
19:17:11 Three times or three notices to get the certified, right? 3.
19:17:16 Yes, and then it comes back to you. So eventually, that… to you, to say.
19:17:23 Had be never picked up her mail. Yeah. Okay.
19:17:31 Okay, and we're sort of… throw into the dartboard here, but let's say if we do 45 days.
19:17:40 No, I think that'll be fine. Okay.
19:17:46 Yeah, yeah. And there's also social media, and it can be announced that.
19:17:52 People need to look for it, the landowners need to look for it.
19:17:55 I mean, I don't care. Are there other ways that we can look at trying to notify them?
19:18:01 I really want to make an effort to have everybody in the community make a decision on it.
19:18:06 Because it's important to everybody. Yes.
19:18:18 Will that do a tracking? A $10 a month.
19:18:24 You know, I think what… how the certification works. Maybe it's the Pine Tree's spending the money just to expedite the mail portion of it. Yeah.
19:18:37 It is, it is, yeah, I know. We… we just took… Yeah.
19:18:44 I thought it was 13. 13. I don't know, she said 9. It's like 9, 10.
19:18:49 If priority mail is something that's going to give us. A traceability, then that's… Yeah.
19:19:03 Okay. I use it a lot. Okay.
19:19:10 All right. 4x11, I think if you… It's $9.10.
19:19:17 Okay. That's fine with me. I just want to do… decide the way we're going to do it, and then move forward with it.
19:19:25 Uh, so it would be… You said priority mail.
19:19:36 Who's gonna… who's gonna design this survey? Who's gonna approve and design? What information? What data points?
19:19:43 This is what we need to get to, and this is, uh… I wanted to get this out of the way, just in terms of get everybody on board and agree that.
19:19:52 Okay, will people accept this as being the vote? And I think… Yes, Bert. Before we move forward, I'm not…
19:20:03 Really living with the, uh… no response.
19:20:08 Uh, county, is it not a boat. There has to be a way of getting it done, so…
19:20:15 21st century, and… We have 120 landowners.
19:20:20 Have an interest. And if they don't respond, they're going to be penalized.
19:20:25 You know, what is the preponderance of. Uh, what suggestions do you… what suggestions… what suggestions do you have? What would you do? We're looking for answers.
19:20:37 However many landowners are, they all need to be. Are you agreed to track them down?
19:20:48 Your job. I don't… I don't think so.
19:20:56 So, or assuming you are. If you don't vote in Palm Beach County, and you don't vote for your commissioner, and they approve your taxes to be.
19:21:03 A million dollars just because you live here, that's the choice you make by not voting. Thank you. These landowners should vote, call your neighbors, but you cannot physically make somebody vote if they don't want to.
19:21:15 Correct. That is the natural consequence. I just, yeah. Okay. I, I…
19:21:22 Noted. There's no database of all of us. But that's another thing.
19:21:30 The side of our email, or address or phone numbers, or anything like that.
19:21:36 I have addresses, but I got them from the county. Okay, so if y'all use a different than the county, then that's the only address I have.
19:21:46 Academically. I was wondering if you don't get a response back, what's the next step? Because I kind of agree with him that you can't just say, oh, you know.
19:21:57 Well, you know, that person's out of the country for 6 months. That person may have died. No, I know what you're saying, but… we can't… Step number two. After your 45 days, or whatever.
19:22:10 You know, we see information back from. You have an email address? Find almost anybody's phone number on stand-inch.
19:22:25 We have Election Day, and then the election's over. It's the same thing. It's basically, we're trying to give a span of time.
19:22:33 Where we can get this done. And if somebody.
19:22:37 Just says, screw this, I don't even want to vote, I don't even care about this, and they don't send it in. I mean, it's not… we can't strong-arm them into voting.
19:22:46 You know, so…
19:22:53 No. What's that?
19:22:58 It's per acre of the land that's owed.
19:23:05 Yet. Yeah. So the ballots that we sent out are going to be ballots that will specifically have the address of the person on. There's going to be one ballot.
19:23:14 One ballot, that's it. No, I may contain people's names on it. Yeah, but the one ballot is going to be one vote.
19:23:25 It may contain two people. Yeah, it could… well, the owners of the property, yeah, yeah.
19:23:33 Right. I think maybe what she's asking, because it's unclear. Oh, okay.
19:23:41 Like, I can vote for him, because… The way I look at it, if the paper comes back and the check mark is yes, then it's a yes vote. If the check mark's no, it's a no vote.
19:23:52 That simple. One pro… one…
19:23:57 One… per acre. Per acre. Yeah, yeah.
19:24:03 So, one property could be 15 acres. What she's saying is the husband's why we said they allowed everybody in the household to vote.
19:24:12 We're not doing that. Correct. So the residents voted, not the landowners?
19:24:20 The residents voted. Okay. Register, okay, okay, okay. Well, in this case, it's going to be the landowners, because they.
19:24:31 They're paying the bill. That's how I look at it. I would think, if I'm wrong, I mean, I'm… I'll stand corrected, but… Yes, Jay?
19:24:43 What's going to be included on the survey? That's… that's next step.
19:24:48 Okay. If we… I know it's kind of like… Catch 22. We don't have the final numbers in order to tell the people… Right.
19:24:59 So… What can you put on the survey? Will it be a range? And the other thing, to go back to Tiff's gentleman.
19:25:08 I know you're saying election day is election day. But unless… The people are informed.
19:25:17 Accurately about how much it's going to cost them. Oh, we agree.
19:25:23 That's… There's some people out there that might have some, uh, valid…
19:25:33 I want to do this in steps. Okay, I agree with you. Okay, we need to know what the cost is going to be. Whoever votes is going to need to know what the cost is be.
19:25:42 That was the reason that they did the road committee put the survey together. That's the reason we're looking at.
19:25:48 What we have to come up with in order to get to the point where we know what it's gonna cost. That is the catch-22.
19:25:56 That's where we are right now. So, if…
19:26:05 Well. Um… We do some… we do have some figures, nothing on a quote, uh, paper.
19:26:16 But we feel very comfortable that all together with the new Ranger figures.
19:26:23 Will not exceed… very difficult to exceed 5 million, worst case scenario.
19:26:27 Included in the broader trail. I forget, where was the $3,200 that you were talking about, um, or $324 a month, or $2,000, or $2500?
19:26:41 Where did that figure come from? Was that a Wellington figure, or…? That was using? That was using 6 million, 6 million as the total figure.
19:26:49 And in bonds split up by the 5-acre parcels. Why don't you put the vote out with some options?
19:26:55 That's what we want to do. That's… that's it. That's…
19:27:01 You're a step ahead of me, yes. I think what we… and that's why we needed the numbers. What we have to look at and discuss is a couple of things. One is…
19:27:12 Paving the roads, paving the roads with the bridal path. Not paving the roads. There's several things, and if we put them down as options and see.
19:27:24 What direction to go in, if we're going to go in any. The one thing… the one thing that, um… needs to be… the board needs to be aware of this.
19:27:33 Is that, let's say that if we approve the… What is it? Uh, $85,000 today.
19:27:44 That money… that money will be reimbursed. To the board.
19:27:50 Once the bond is implemented. So the moment that the bond is implemented.
19:27:55 The $85,000 goes to their kiddie account. So, there was reimbursement of that, number one. And number two.
19:28:04 The, uh, person from Ranger with the $2.1 million. Said that the entire community.
19:28:12 Can be paved in 30 days.
19:28:17 30 months. 30 days. Yeah, I find that a little hard to believe, but… Yeah.
19:28:25 That's just the PV part. That's the paving part. Not the engineer. Not the engineer.
19:28:29 Just rangers said they can do their part in 30 days.
19:28:33 Yeah, that would not include survey or anything else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just the paving. Because Ranger, I… Who… can I ask a question? Who's… who's… who's picking up the bond?
19:28:45 Where's the bond coming from? Uh… Because you had mentioned something about a bond, and that you have their good rate. Wait, wait, I'm asking him a question, hold up. No, no, I know. Wellington is an option for the bond. I think Jim has expressed.
19:29:01 No, but you said you had a good rate. Yeah, so you, you, you want to get tied into this?
19:29:07 I don't want to get tied in, we will have to hire a company to do it.
19:29:10 Well, you said you had a good rate. Yes, 4.75. So you have a company?
19:29:17 I don't have a company, just those rates are publicly available.
19:29:20 On data sheets. Yeah, it just sounds a little bit wrong when you say it.
19:29:24 No, no, no, 4.75, because box… No, no, no, when you said… when you mentioned, uh, you know, that I have a good brain.
19:29:34 You've got a bond, and you have a good rate. That sounded a good rate, yes. Well, you found a good rate. Those rates are available in a sheet. You can go… you can go into the internet and look. I understand, but you need to work on it, the better.
19:29:44 That's what I did. And how do we get a copy of that?
19:29:47 Because it was just too hard to see. To go through your numbers. I want to share in public media, in public, uh… in social media, and I'll share it with you guys as well. Uh, it would have been nice if we had it here.
19:30:00 You what? The paperwork here in front of us. Well, we can put it up again. No, no, I… I think you need to get a copy of it. Talk about hard paper.
19:30:08 For what? I actually have… If you have any questions… We can send the whole thing.
19:30:15 We can get them to you. I'm just saying. Can you… can you forward… You know, we should have had that to begin with.
19:30:21 That's what I'm saying. Can you forward that? To Ruben. Okay. You've seen him. I mean, maybe next time you do this.
19:30:30 Maybe we can have a copy of it here. I sent a copy to you. Yeah, I have a copy. I can't… I can't communicate with him. I can't… I… yeah.
19:30:39 Yeah, that's… I know, it's a… yeah.
19:30:50 Some of us, uh, in the room want to move. Forward, and they want to move forward quickly, but how do you know, we don't have to wait.
19:30:58 At least 45 days. What I wanted to ask the gentleman in the back is, how…
19:31:05 Long is this quote good for? How long is the other person spoke good for?
19:31:09 And is there really all this much urgency? Or can we take the time to do that? I think it says 30 days.
19:31:18 What? This quote's good for 30 days? That the quote was good for 30 days.
19:31:24 Oh, ranger, Ranger, Ranger, okay. Okay, I don't know. It's a good question.
19:31:31 Well, everything's going up, there's… Yep. So…
19:31:40 What I wanted to do tonight is look at voting on the money.
19:31:43 The thing is, as we sat down and we figured out the budget based on.
19:31:48 On what we thought was gonna be… $40,000 payment.
19:31:53 Which has now doubled. So…
19:32:02 And we were looking at 30%, and now we're looking at 50%.
19:32:06 30% of 500. We were looking… when we talked yesterday, we were looking at 30%.
19:32:14 We thought it was 120, which was 40, okay? Um.
19:32:21 Jorge, can you do anything? Can… can… is there any movement on that in terms of the money down and what it's going to take to get the… get the, uh… project rolling. I get the information and the data that we need.
19:32:34 Could you go into a little more detail about… what you're going to be doing.
19:32:40 Just kind of give us…
19:32:48 The only thing that I would use, like, uh… A date when I will have the survey.
19:32:56 Okay. So you need… you need to have the survey first.
19:33:00 Okay, no, I understand. What's the cost of the cert?
19:33:05 What's the cost of the survey? Is that worked into it?
19:33:13 We get any estimates on a survey? Okay. Oh, so what's the cost of the survey? Did we get answers? No, we didn't. Oh.
19:33:20 We were not aware… we don't do this every day, obviously. No, no, I understand that, and by the way, I mean, what you've done.
19:33:28 Is tremendously appreciated, believe me. I'm… I, um… I can imagine it's a lot of work.
19:33:36 But what I need to know is… We need to know what the costs are going to be, and if Jorge is telling us in order to be.
19:33:42 To give us a date, and give us a price. We need the survey, then we really should know what the survey's gonna cost, because that's gonna have to be part of.
19:33:51 What we're voting on, and I… I just… I keep seeing this number kind of getting out of control, and I'm trying to pull it back, you know?
19:34:00 It's just what we're trying to vote on now? Well, we were.
19:34:06 I thought we were talking about getting the, uh, surveys out. The letter that you received from us has… No, but everything that we vote on will be contingent, will be contingent… everything that we would vote on in terms of money would be contingent on whether or not the vote goes through.
19:34:23 Oh, so there won't be any money spent, no? No, no, no. We have a… we have a price for this survey. Which is… We're gonna… we need to look it up real quick. Okay.
19:34:37 My father followed the line. Once that survey is in those figures on what the costs are going to be.
19:34:45 I'm going to change to once you'll keep that in mind.
19:34:49 This is not what I plan on saying, this is just something else.
19:34:53 Oh, okay, Chris, can… if… if it's pertaining to what we're doing now, okay.
19:35:09 Wellington sued us. And radar roads, but made sure that we knew that our relationship.
19:35:17 One thing is, it was like property that is going to entail such massive debt?
19:35:21 We don't have enough money. To consider… to be considered for a bond at this point.
19:35:31 Also, what you have said before. A municipality cannot float a bond for private roads.
19:35:42 I just don't know where they think they're going to get the money from Wellington. It has been… we have gone over this.
19:35:48 Mr. Barnes has gone over it, Wellington has gone over it. I believe the path is clear to move ahead.
19:35:56 Well. No. No, I, I, I'm… I don't want to rehash anything. What I… what…
19:36:12 Could you hold off? No. Uh, no. Are we up to Chris yet? Are we still… No, we know that we're trying to get through… we're trying to get through this.
19:36:21 Yes. Yes. Still working on that. You'll be next, Chris.
19:36:31 Am I right, or am I? No, no, no, that's fine.
19:36:37 We need to have the numbers in order to make a decision as to what we're going to do.
19:36:42 So you're looking up the survey numbers now. While you're looking that up, Mr. Barnes.
19:36:49 Um, you've been involved in all of this in terms of.
19:36:53 Of… the capabilities, the ability in general to move forward.
19:37:00 And… I believe… you've looked into this.
19:37:05 And we've opened the door.
19:37:11 Was the ability of Wellington.
19:37:19 Uh, to be able to assist and, uh, if they're… Was she paving any roadways?
19:37:28 Associated soil greater improvements to do that. Some type of paper, but an assessment letter.
19:37:33 Um, and the basis for that would be that. Well, I did through the interlocal.
19:37:38 Uh, we're still competing to have that assignment of maintenance responsibility.
19:37:42 And ultimately, if we elect to go through a bond process, which might be a little more or less.
19:37:50 Maurice had mentioned, uh, possibly than, say, regular, you know. Either way, we had some kind of easement interest in it.
19:37:59 That would, uh, allow us to undertake that process. And there isn't even… easement interest in it based on the interlocal agreement.
19:38:07 Correct, okay. Ability to create a, uh…
19:38:14 The old, uh, underboarded flat. For the first Phase 1 and Phase 2 of Luster Granches that then.
19:38:21 Also having us, uh, have that easement interest in a way to maintain it, that would allow us to proceed.
19:38:27 That's what we preliminary, uh, discussion with the different, uh, attorneys.
19:38:32 If that's the way the board election proceed, but that was how we determine.
19:38:38 Ability to do that. We have folks who do that with another community.
19:38:43 And it flew, basically, yeah. Okay. Alright, um… Thank you. Jim.
19:38:50 I don't have the complete report. Okay, I'm trying to look for it. Okay, thank you.
19:38:56 Jim has the figure for serving. Okay.
19:39:02 Is that coming through now? He's sending them to you now?
19:39:11 Yes, while we're waiting, go ahead. Pick, can you go to the microphone so we can record it?
19:39:17 Would… would you please? Thank you. Or… or if that… just take that, it would work.
19:39:25 It's on, thank you. Um… I was looking up a lot of the information about Pine Tree and looking into the history and stuff, and.
19:39:34 Found out that you guys, uh, are… We, uh, was started in 1971, and then again in 2009.
19:39:41 Uh, it was recreated under the legislature. And, um, there's a Section 3 which…
19:39:49 I believe you kind of inferred about it a little while ago when you said we were the only water district with the rights to, uh.
19:39:58 Road paving and things like that, and that's what that Section 3 is all about.
19:40:02 And… but in a close reading, it doesn't say anything about bridal trails.
19:40:07 It talks about roads, it talks about canals, other things like that.
19:40:12 But do you actually have the right to do anything about bridal trails?
19:40:18 According to the attorney that I spoke with, uh. The bridal trails could be the same as sidewalks, or…
19:40:29 Uh, or bike paths, and…
19:40:40 Okay, so Section 3 says what? Oh, okay.
19:40:52 Use taxpayer money. Yep. Yeah.
19:41:01 Encourage, um… No, it's not.
19:41:06 And taking care of the water management. Is that it right there? No, it's not picking you up.
19:41:13 We need to borrow them, Mike, that one. Just so you don't have to get up again.
19:41:22 I'm sorry. I do not believe, after I read Section 3, that.
19:41:31 It mentions, um, bike paths, or whatever the other second thing you just said.
19:41:36 Um, and that Section 3 is focused mainly on your ability as this.
19:41:43 Specific water management district, and it seemed very clear. That it seemed as if you were the only water management district that had the, um.
19:41:52 Additional ability to… Responsibility. And responsibility to take care of roads, and they used an awful lot of verbs, like maintaining, constructing, uh.
19:42:05 Everything that would be involved in taking care of a road. Right. And it gave two different reasons, which, off the top of my head, I can't remember right now.
19:42:13 But both of them seem to be in taking care of.
19:42:17 The community, um, to enhance the, I guess, the livability of the community, and… Um, things like that.
19:42:26 But, and the point I'm trying to make, is it never, ever mentioned.
19:42:30 Bridal trails, and a huge part of the… reason beyond just paving the roads.
19:42:39 That we have discussed. At least in the last 2 or 3 times I've been here, is the need for bridal trails.
19:42:47 In our equestrian community. And I just wanted to make sure that you have.
19:42:53 The responsibility of. Maintaining, designing.
19:42:58 That one slide that shows the bridal trail on one side of the road, and.
19:43:03 Dippin' under the road and all that other kind of stuff.
19:43:06 Does that fall under the responsibility of a Pine Tree Water District.
19:43:11 And maybe we'll need to take a look at Section 3 again. In terms of maintenance, you're saying?
19:43:17 I mean, just in terms of, uh… Well, I guess you could probably…
19:43:23 Say you had the right to maintain the ones that are already there.
19:43:28 But I'm not sure that you have the right. To add additional ones.
19:43:33 I mean, there's no bridal trail. Excuse me? You mean the legality?
19:43:39 Yeah, that was… Yeah, that's what I want to know. We're talking about going to spend a considerable amount of money.
19:43:45 To, um… Add bridal trails or maintain.
19:43:50 Uh, bridal trails, uh, that one… chart that he had showed a bridal trail going down one side of the road, um.
19:43:59 That doesn't exist right now. I'm just gonna know. Do you have… and I guess legality is the right word, Ruben. Do you have.
19:44:08 The right to add bridal trails where there are no bridal trails.
19:44:14 I asked that question. And based on what I was told, and that, unfortunately, it was today, finally, he got back to me.
19:44:24 And he was able to… As far as he's concerned, he said yes.
19:44:31 Because, see, I likened it to a bike path. And a sidewalk.
19:44:37 Can't ride the horses on the table. Well, they can't ride their horses in pavement, no, that's true. Yeah.
19:44:43 Certainly, they… you ride horses on… the dirt road. Shell Rump.
19:44:49 Once you… if you pave that. I mean, I'm not an equestrian, but my understanding is they can't ride the horses up and down the paved road.
19:44:57 And I agree, and I understand, I've been hearing that for the last 2 or 3 meetings.
19:45:02 And I certainly want them to have the bridal pass that they need and deserve. I just want to know if you have the.
19:45:10 Legality to do it. Especially in the areas where there are none. Well…
19:45:17 I'm not sure if it's legality or drainage. The issue of drainage.
19:45:23 Well, we all know you have the right to do something about draining.
19:45:27 Illegal to do it, but… How's it going to affect our drainage?
19:45:31 And if it doesn't affect it, that's one thing, but if it does affect it… It does. It affects the drainage of the homeowners.
19:45:37 And that's a different, you know, that'll be addressed. Okay. The capacity of the system.
19:45:44 Will not be affected. If we close one of the… one of the… channel, or one of the swales, but that's not what her question is.
19:45:53 I've already looked into that. That, you know, it's do we have the… and that was a question that I asked, if we had the authority.
19:46:04 I'll read it. Uh-huh.
19:46:10 Livability would be the ability for our children to walk safely out of the road, for our pedestrians to walk safely out of the road, and if horses continue to occupy the neighborhood, sure. Um, if you pay a group without it, you'll drive the neighborhood to become Southwest Ranches, so that's super lovely code that you imagine. And I'm not saying we shouldn't have bridal trails. All I'm saying is.
19:46:31 They're not specifically mentioned in that section. I understand. And I would like to have clarification, and I know you talked to somebody about it today. No, I had the same question, and this was my question.
19:46:44 In our discussion, we determined that due to the mandate of the court for.
19:46:49 Pine tree to maintain the roads. Can we safely accept as true that it is legal to use taxpayer funds.
19:46:56 In order to explore the options to pave the roads. The question is, can the board legally use.
19:47:02 Taxpayer funds in order to redesign and construct new horse paths on existing swales that are under the maintenance of Pine Tree Water Control District.
19:47:11 That was my question, and all I can tell you, and I apologize, but… All I can tell you is he said yes.
19:47:20 Uh, and, and… Unless you want to hear from the horse's mouth.
19:47:24 Maybe the attorney. And I… yeah. You know what I mean? No, it's a valid question. I had the same question, you know, are we allowed to do this?
19:47:32 So, um… Mr. Barnes, do you have anything? Can you input on that at all?
19:47:41 Do you recall? You spoke with him today, also. I didn't know if you went over these or not.
19:47:47 It's similar to the way we also handle roadways elsewhere within the village, that generally.
19:47:52 For aggression communities to… horse trails when constructed as part of the roadway is considered part of that roadway typical section, which includes not only the swale branch, but also the.
19:48:02 Equestrian Trail is incorporated. So it would be part of that broker.
19:48:07 Allowed under our interpretation of pine trees ability or a requirement to make payments.
19:48:13 Okay. Is that… Does that still make sense? I mean, that's…
19:48:19 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a valid question, yeah, yeah. Okay, thank you, sir.
19:48:30 Mauricio, how are we… how are we doing? Okay, I'm sorry.
19:48:43 We had a lot of surveys done. We had a survey, uh.
19:48:46 Wellington was running us. We had the survey to the Center Canal. The last survey performed that Pine Tree has a copy of?
19:48:53 We don't. We don't have a copy of it because we were written by Wellington.
19:48:59 Is there any… Something that would have a copy of it, but we can't seem to get a copy. Is there a possibility?
19:49:05 Okay. Okay. All right. Then we'll follow up with… go ahead, thank you.
19:49:16 But basically, the basic surveying, scope of services. There's a total of 82,69.
19:49:24 And the geotechnical that's going to be required as well. We're a design engineer.
19:49:29 Is, uh… right here as a sub-consultant for, uh. 17.9, but the geotechnical we already met.
19:49:37 Well, I think you're going to require more geotech flow that was preliminarily obtained for the design, but ultimately, the design and showing up there to dominate.
19:49:47 So we're having a percentage at the registrative, just to be clear as well, I know there were a lot of numbers going back and forth before. We're not… try to compete… this is through something called we're not even doing the work, so just in case there's any misconception at all, that we're competing with the private sector, that's our goal here at all. We've been doing this before the committee had obtained outside, uh, proposals, just to get an idea of costing and pricing.
19:50:12 So there had been a survey, I'm told, at one point in time. Is there any possibility of going back and finding.
19:50:19 What puts them in. Things. One is, I suspect, this is, uh, not only really.
19:50:26 Boundary. It is just a full topographic survey that's going to be required for the design of the roadway.
19:50:32 So I suspect, in addition to being current, which they're going to need, you know, current record drawing, record conditions out there.
19:50:38 Uh, in the roadways, is it'll also probably have more information than the other surveys that were previously obtained, which I suspect.
19:50:46 More for boundary basis, boundary information, and the legal description information as opposed to, uh.
19:50:52 If we could find something that… Okay, if we could find it, would that survey suffice in what you need to do?
19:51:05 If you don't have the topograph… okay. Okay, okay, so it was just boundaries and things that we did.
19:51:13 Okay. So we're looking at $82,695, $82,000 for a survey.
19:51:22 And 17,900. And what do we have?
19:51:31 Okay, alright, it's something to go by, that, that, yeah, okay.
19:51:34 So… Go ahead, uh, coming up.
19:51:46 Charlie Benesia skip its way. This topographical survey, will that need to include.
19:51:51 Every parcel, or just… the road base, the 60-foot.
19:51:55 I think the road base and the swales, am I right, Jorge?
19:51:58 The topographical survey needs to just be the roadway and the swales.
19:52:04 Including… yeah. Yeah, there's 60 feet.
19:52:11 No, basically, no survey happened to any… No.
19:52:15 Um, no, I just made to know, like, in every, in every driveway.
19:52:20 I need to know what is the reason, so I can match that with.
19:52:25 When the swales were put in, there would have been a survey, wouldn't there?
19:52:31 So… and that… Yeah.
19:52:35 Yeah, sorry, I'm sorry.
19:52:41 Basically, if I recall from when those were originally put in and embedded, the work for the swales was actually initially, uh.
19:52:47 Mostly done in-house with, uh. Village staff, uh, I suspect some of those surveys were field.
19:52:53 Surveys that were based on. We knew what, uh, the, uh.
19:52:57 Soil elevation needed to be, and we shot those probably in the field. Just run out and dug them, yeah.
19:53:03 Engineer, technology engineer at the time, dictated the design for that.
19:53:05 Okay. Okay. All right. So, in adding up…
19:53:12 Uh, going with Jorge's number. Roughly 80,000 is what you want.
19:53:18 To… to do this… to do the engineering work. After you have the survey. You can't do it till you have the survey.
19:53:26 Sir, licking $160,000. Out of the gate.
19:53:31 We don't have that money. I mean, we don't…
19:53:37 You know, we've, uh, if we… bumped the trim all the way back up, or… I mean, we don't have the money to do that at this point.
19:53:45 That I see. I mean, I'm…
19:53:51 What do we have, like, 90? Well, and then our reserve is gone. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, this 90, yeah, this 90, 98, 90…
19:54:02 Betty? We got more than that.
19:54:09 Oh, that's the reserve after, that's the… That's what's going in the reserve after the budget. After the budget, okay. But right now, today.
19:54:17 We had 364,000. Okay? But we'd spend half of that.
19:54:23 We would spend… We… We would spend half of what we have.
19:54:28 Right? Yeah. And then… and then we could spend that money.
19:54:34 And if it's voted down. They didn't matter.
19:54:41 The thing is, if we spend that… if we spend that money, we… now, what will we recover back?
19:54:47 Uh, we recover 80… roughly, we would recover the 80 back with the bond.
19:54:53 All of it, yeah, because… Pay yourself back. Are you… were you over… The survey will be recovered?
19:55:02 If they go full. Huh? If we go forward, yeah, yeah.
19:55:08 So I'm being devil's advocate. If it's voted down.
19:55:14 Then we just… Yes, I did.
19:55:23 Is there, even if we don't pay the roads at all, wouldn't we need the survey of the community.
19:55:28 To be done sooner or later, because we do need to redo the swales in the community.
19:55:34 Isn't that an expense the community's going to have upcoming, regardless of the roads, is meeting the survey in order to get.
19:55:41 All of the swales redesigned properly. The swales are fine.
19:55:46 I mean… You're looking at that in a 5-10 year project.
19:55:52 I'm assuming. I'm sorry, go ahead. On the 5-10 year project.
19:55:56 No, I'm just thinking if that money's gonna have to be spent either way on the survey part, do they?
19:56:02 Does it benefit? Further down the road, if we would not go forward with the roads either way, would that chunk of the money that we spent on the survey for the community.
19:56:10 Is that a benefit to the community in any way for any future projects? I don't know, how long is the survey good for?
19:56:17 Until it's needed. I mean, it's till there's some… thank you, Becky.
19:56:22 I mean, you know, I mean… I don't think there's a date stamp on a survey.
19:56:27 Hello, again, and nothing's changed. Well, the only reason you would do a survey is if you're going to be doing work on it, if you're going to change something, and right now.
19:56:36 The system is functioning in terms of getting rid of the water.
19:56:43 My largest concern is if we have a hurricane. And there's a breach.
19:56:48 The center canal. Put our pipes.
19:56:53 That's… a breach. A breach in our system. Okay. And our drainage system.
19:56:59 Yeah. You know, that would be one of the most important parts.
19:57:02 That we have to have enough reserve. To fix a problem like that.
19:57:09 So if we had a hurricane, or we had a tornado.
19:57:13 We had a tornado. Luckily. It did a lot of damage.
19:57:18 But it didn't do a lot of damage to our… drainage system.
19:57:23 But if we had a hurricane with high winds and tornadoes.
19:57:27 That caused a major drainage system issue. How do we repair that?
19:57:41 That's something an engineer would have to answer, but I would… I would think that… I could see something in reserves. Well, it's not like we have an earth dam that we're worried about it breaking, you know.
19:57:56 Can't run around with $2 in your pocket. No, no, no, no, I got all of that. I'm just… What I'm trying to do is figure out how we can get from here to there.
19:58:07 What it's going to cost us… to get from here to there. My personal opinion is we need the votes first.
19:58:14 But we need… but in order to get… and I agree, but in order to get the votes, we need to know how much it's going to cost, so we can't… we can't… Okay. And if we're going to do that, then I think the only way to move forward is.
19:58:27 Is go with the numbers that… that Wellington has given us.
19:58:32 And say, this is going to be the… This is going to be what the possible cost is, or a range of the costs.
19:58:40 Because… the people, the landowners are going to have to make a vote.
19:58:45 Based on something, you know, and we're… we're…
19:58:54 We have… but we have to get as close as we can, yes, but we have to get as close as we can.
19:59:01 And, um… We're not… we're not going to allocate any money now other than… No, we're not gonna… no. What I… what I want to do is… is I want to try to figure out how much it's going to be.
19:59:13 We can vote on whether or not we're going to spend this money.
19:59:17 Moving forward, if… the vote comes back that we move forward. Okay.
19:59:23 Okay, that's fair? Okay, that's reasonable. So…
19:59:32 We have… 36 people. We have 364.
19:59:39 But what must come out of that? Basically, next year, we don't have 364, because at the end of next year.
19:59:50 We… I said, right now, we have 364, and we're planning to spend 40.
19:59:56 Next month. Okay. Probably sharing.
20:00:04 So, at the end of the year, we're only going to have 320.
20:00:07 Okay, so at 320. Where this is still… this…
20:00:13 180, you said. 160, you know, we're looking at roughly.
20:00:22 There'll be 160 left if you use 160. But then we were going to use…
20:00:28 We brought the trim down. So we're going to be using some of that.
20:00:34 Next year. Well, next year, we say within our budget. Yeah.
20:00:37 We'll put another $98 back.
20:00:50 So it's basically, we're looking at… we're looking at committing to $160,000 to be spent.
20:00:59 In order to get the information. That we need.
20:01:06 To move forward. Unless we… Unless right now.
20:01:14 We…
20:01:20 Unless we go with the numbers that Wilmington had. And then… huh?
20:01:30 Unless we go with the numbers that Wellington had, and we put that in.
20:01:33 The vote. They're… they're… Mauricio, what are they, 6… 6 to 8? What's it?
20:01:40 You were by this, so why don't you put that on this as the vote? Exactly, we put that on the vote.
20:01:48 And if that's good. Then we go for it.
20:01:53 Right. Yes? On the 6 billion number, we know it's $3,200 a year, or whatever it is.
20:02:04 Not, you know… reasonable, right? When we're talking about this crazy number, right?
20:02:10 What does it look like at $8 million? Because that's going to be, like, if all of a sudden it's $6,000, or 9,000, like.
20:02:16 You know, I think you've got to… You know, what is the assessment per acre, or if we're voting per acre, what's the assessment per acre between 6 and 9? Because that's the number of people… I mean, 6 to 8, people might say yes, no, but I think you need to.
20:02:30 Like, are you gonna put a per acre assessment as X dollars per month, or X dollars per year? Because that's really what it comes down to, right? For each slot owner? We… we could. In other words, this is what you're going to be paying out. You mean give them that information on the ballot?
20:02:46 If it ends up coming in closer to, whatever, 8 or 9 million, it could be more like $5,400. Is that how you're going to do it, or is it going to be like.
20:02:55 $300 per acre, or… $800 per 5-acre lot, I mean, how are you going to present the data if we're using a range?
20:03:05 I see. So we're using a range, I want to know, am I paying… if I have a total number of 5 million, I know… or 3 million, I know I'm paying $3,200 a year… They're probably less. Whatever. I know what I'm budgeting for. Right. If I'm using a range, I don't know if I'm budgeting for 3 or 6.
20:03:22 That's good. I hadn't thought of it that way. I was looking at the range.
20:03:26 To see this is what the total thing is going to cost, what you're saying.
20:03:30 Makes more sense. For, you know, yes.
20:03:35 Is now not X, it's X3000, or it's X plus 6,000, how does that… you know, that's what I would want to know, is what is my pervote, per acre cost, or however you're assigning costs? What is my per acre cost?
20:03:48 Based on the low value or the high value. If that's how you're going to have us hook.
20:03:53 If we don't have an actual number. And you're looking at money out.
20:03:58 Per month, as opposed to the overall. Annual per acre.
20:04:03 Okay, yeah, yeah. That's a good idea, very good idea.
20:04:11 I think you should do it per acre, because we've got four teams, we've got electives. Yeah, per acre makes more sense, because it's one vote per acre.
20:04:18 Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's a good idea.
20:04:25 Okay. So we need to pick a high number and a low number.
20:04:32 Mauricio, you… the number, again, I'm sorry, I keep going back to it, but…
20:04:37 But the number… that we have… I guess I should ask Jim, Mr. Barnes, the $6 to $8 million that was.
20:04:48 Estimated. 6… was it 6 to what?
20:04:52 Is that correct? Okay, 6 to 9. Which Wellington's number.
20:05:00 And… do we go with that number? Or do we go with… we believe…
20:05:09 Yes, oh yeah, yeah. Oh, do we have… do we have the estimate, Mauricio, with the bridal pass? Yes.
20:05:15 Well, yeah, we don't have that yet. No, we don't have it.
20:05:17 Oh. So… Yeah, that was in Wellington's, yeah.
20:05:23 Separate estimate that was presented. At the meeting that we held at the community center. Right. That was for the entire scope of work, which included the roadway paving.
20:05:34 Swell, rework, uh, and the bridal bathroom. Yep. Yeah. That was the… and then those were ranges based on our initial.
20:05:43 Estimates that we prepared anywhere between $6 and $9 million, I think. So, just went through that, we've actually… talked to 3 different contractors. Again, they're basing their estimate on a lot of, uh.
20:05:56 Conditions based on the fact that we don't have design plans prepared, and they're looking at the typical section that's been circulated, which is.
20:06:04 The roadway section, which is a minor pitch, the asphalt roadway.
20:06:09 Sway on one side, their viral Trail on the other side, and those numbers between Ranger Construction, Wind and Sun's Environmental Construction.
20:06:17 Nesi, which is the pressure of contractor that works with Western communities, uh, ranged from anywhere from.
20:06:24 Uh, for million and change, just out, you know, a little bit less than $5 million all the way through over $8 million. So, realistically, I think as you get more detailed designs, those numbers will compress and tighten up.
20:06:35 And we're of the opinion that the project itself, total with paving, bridal trail, and the soil construction.
20:06:43 Will be somewhere between $5 and $7 million. That's just our opinion of cost right now, based on.
20:06:49 The typical section that's been prepared, and the, uh. Contractors' estimates, and even… It's spring it up, um, so that we know.
20:06:58 How much of that 69 is for the road paving, and how much of the 6 to the 9 is.
20:07:04 For a bridal path, and foil, and… We have that information. It's still conceptual. I don't have it with me this evening, but… Yeah, yeah.
20:07:13 I only have to maybe a little bit higher. A little bit more on an idea at the edge. Just because of cost, the way costs are, possibly. You've come up. I mean, I'm not talking about.
20:07:25 6 to 9, that's a big… that's a big number. Oh, 6 to 9, yeah.
20:07:32 So the responsible thing would be to use the 6 to 9 million.
20:07:36 I would think. Like I mentioned in the last meeting, everybody has to get shocked, but, you know, given that we're not actually building the road, contractors are, we never want to have the rogue in with our estimate. I mean, I have a kidding, but that's the reality.
20:07:51 Construction plans, it's difficult to have a really detailed opinion upon the cost.
20:07:56 As a result, we have to take a lot of, uh… we have to make a lot of, uh, you know, caffeinated guesses.
20:08:01 As to, you know, between unit prices, but also the ultimate scope of work.
20:08:05 And in this case, one of the big unknowns is the extent of unsingable materials.
20:08:12 Particularly on, uh… It's good mixing cocktail, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are the two runways that appear to have the… meet most unsuitable organic material, uh, lower and deeper, uh, that may have to be removed, in which case that'll.
20:08:26 That'll be… that'll be an impact of those bottom line. Yeah.
20:08:30 Yeah. Okay, so… what I'd like to look at putting together. Thank you, Mr. Burns.
20:08:42 So, I'm just thinking out loud here. If we look at.
20:08:48 Voting tonight. To approve the money.
20:08:55 To do this based on the contingency. Of the vote going out and being approved.
20:09:05 And… If the vote is approved.
20:09:10 Then we move forward. The money that we… that we get, or the money that we spend.
20:09:17 Once the bond is done, we'll end up coming back to Pine Tree.
20:09:22 Okay? And if the answer is no, then there's no money spent.
20:09:32 Chris, please, let us get through this.
20:09:40 Before the horse yet. No, we have to… we have to move forward.
20:09:45 If we're going to do this.
20:09:52 Before you start talking about. Allocated money, or what might be allocated. Or not allocating anything until we get a vote from the people.
20:10:00 What I'm trying to do is not kick this down the road until November.
20:10:04 But that's all… that's what I'm trying to accomplish.
20:10:12 5 days after you finally get the survey put together. Which, we're almost, what, middle of August, so what's that, the middle of September?
20:10:20 So by the time everything comes back, and all that's. So if we kick… Right? I… I accept that that whole scenario follows through. If we started in November, it's going to go into January.
20:10:33 So, you know, if… what I'd like to do is, let's say we're going to do it or we're not gonna do it.
20:10:39 And… and I want to move it forward, I want to try to get some kind of progress out.
20:10:48 Yes.
20:10:54 What are we going to proceed with? Are we going to proceed with… Well insurance offer, you're gonna proceed with the stuff that the database come out with. It's much more reasonably priced.
20:11:04 I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say… To proceed? Okay, what I… what I.
20:11:11 Okay, for question. What I mean is to move this forward.
20:11:16 And make a decision whether we're going to either do it or not.
20:11:20 And if we… if we… make a decision tonight, and have everything contingent on the vote.
20:11:27 The only… the only missing link, the fill-in blank, is what numbers we're going to be putting into what we give to.
20:11:35 The… the landowners in terms of what's on the paper. That… that information's gonna be there.
20:11:40 The vote will be based on that. So, I mean, there's no money spent.
20:11:52 Well, if it says no, we're gonna stop. Okay.
20:12:05 How… how… Based on the… I got… I got you, I got you. Okay, based on the suggestion of the road committee.
20:12:14 And they're going to look at the best price. The best overall deal around.
20:12:21 Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can do that.
20:12:24 I'll do that, not a problem. It's all about cost.
20:12:29 Yes, sir. It's all about the cost. Yeah. We can't, we can't sit there and make you pay.
20:12:35 You know, he's gotta come up with a reasonable cost. That's what the people want.
20:12:39 And that's what it's all about. It's not about me wanting it.
20:12:44 Uh, him wanting it, or Charlie wanting it, or… we should not have any input. We should not have any input on whether we want the road done or not done.
20:12:55 Your steps and your procedures. Yeah, no, no, I follow you. We're gonna go with the best price.
20:13:01 Yes, Mr. Burns. If people want it, then we need to make it reasonable for everybody to pay for it. If they don't want it.
20:13:08 It's chopped off. It's out the door. It probably… I don't know, it may or may not be brought up later on, 5 years, 2 years, 3 years, 10 years, I don't know.
20:13:18 It may be brought up again. The gym. Yes, sir? Just for clarification, as well, you know, notwithstanding the design side, the construction.
20:13:27 The board as a governmental entity, would have to either use an actual approved, you know, property purchase through some other local government's contract, another special district, the village, or something else.
20:13:41 Or actually put out a competitor seal bid. For proposals, so… so you actually have to go through that process, like a public entity, to go through. You wouldn't just take.
20:13:50 Any proposal for construction. Right. And we have the opportunity. To choose whomever.
20:13:58 Has the best deal, basically. Okay.
20:14:06 So, let me back up. What I would like to do is… we need… we need to make a decision… we need to have the data to make a decision.
20:14:19 Um, so if we…
20:14:26 So if we make a proposal. To… Agree to this amount of money based on.
20:14:35 The return of the ballots for the votes. For the people… for the landowners.
20:14:43 Um, and nothing will… kick into effect. Nothing will kick in until after the ballot… after the vote is done, and after the ballots are counted.
20:14:57 It's more money than I thought it was gonna be.
20:15:05 And what… how… one more question. How long would it be until that money is re… how long do you think it would be to take… to get the bond?
20:15:19 And so… It depends on who we go with, who they belong.
20:15:24 But, uh, it's… let's say that we don't go with Wellington, we will have to hire a company.
20:15:31 To procure the bond for us. And those are the ones that will be in a position to answer the question.
20:15:38 Can we go through Wellington for the bond, and then have another contractor do the… do the work, or…
20:15:49 There's an… there's an easement there. That…
20:16:00 This abusement, but we own it. It's not part of the community.
20:16:06 Well, well, if we paid, then it would be our responsibility to maintain it.
20:16:11 Because we would own it. It's pine trees. It's pine trees' responsibility.
20:16:14 It's just like we would right now. It's pine trees. But it's up to the people to decide what they want.
20:16:25 So I'm looking for a way to move the vote… Crunch numbers.
20:16:29 That's what we're looking to do. I mean, that's what I'm looking to do. Well, and that's the… and before you start allocating.
20:16:38 What might be needed to do. The rest of this engineering project, you need to find out what the legality is. I don't think they'll have it.
20:16:47 We do. We've looked into this. Okay.
20:16:54 That's… that's me. All right. I just have more drainage issues.
20:17:02 You know, and I mean, if the lawyer says it's okay to do, what am I gonna do?
20:17:07 If the lawyer says it's okay to do, and they have a right to do it, and you guys… have a right to put in the road, or… or decide not to put in the road, then that's…
20:17:17 That's fine, but, you know, if legally we can do it, I mean… I can't stop these people.
20:17:26 If they want it, they're gonna get it. If they don't want it, they're not going to get it. Simple.
20:17:31 Mauricia, what was the 17,000? 17.9. Huh?
20:17:38 That's what? Geowork, okay. The other… the AD2 was a survey.
20:17:44 So the 82 is the survey, and 80 is yours, so we're… So we're… we're talking a hundred and…
20:17:53 $77,000. Am I wrong?
20:17:58 Yeah. So, roughly, so 80 and 82…
20:18:05 It's 162. And then 17.
20:18:14 What is it? Has anybody checked to see?
20:18:19 If any of these companies actually did return money when. Was either voted down, and how long it took.
20:18:27 Well, I mean, the issue is… If it's… If he's an engineer, and… for some reason, we hire him, he's gotta get paid.
20:18:35 You know, he's not gonna return any money. I mean… Oh, the bond. The bond returns it. The bond returns it, but it's… nothing's going to be spent if it's voted down. There's not going to be any money spent.
20:18:49 Until it's voted on. We have to… Yeah, and that's what we're…
20:18:55 That's what we're trying to discuss. Disparate.
20:19:05 Does that include… and a quarter mile's worth of fill.
20:19:10 Bill was trailed, where the bridal tails. I believe we know… N… Is there an approved…
20:19:18 Surface for the bridal trail. Is it going to be sand? Is it gonna be grass? Is it gonna be…
20:19:27 I'm sure it's going to be whatever is a… approved for… the equestrian… the equestrian committee would…
20:19:36 They would have their hand in there. How many… yards of dirt, it's gonna take to go four and a quarter miles worth of swale that is 16 or 19 feet wide, and…
20:19:48 An average 2 feet deep. Yeah, I think the, uh, the consent rule estimation of the political section based on assumption is that you regarded.
20:19:56 They saw the linear footage of swale, then your footage of horse trail, and ultimately the cubicard for the roadway.
20:20:05 You know, uh, thing that was gonna happen. Can't tell you exactly what would have estimated, but it was a typical section, and we used the same material.
20:20:12 That are used in the, uh, rest of the trails in the Bollock, which is in combination. In some cases, you're going to have crossings that may be.
20:20:19 Brass, which I'm putting underneath, but some of our horse trails off that village, and that was something that, during the design process.
20:20:26 The board and the residents would have to have somebody input as to what you want to see on your work counts. And that also, your number also accounts for the.
20:20:36 Drainage from the one side of the road to the other side, so that the water.
20:20:41 Yeah, sure. There would be catch basins. Along the bridal trail. Not on the bridal trail, there's basically what would happen is that would all pinch to the swaletop. I mean, that's, again, conceptually, because there's no design plans, but it would be a model pitch roadway.
20:20:56 So it wouldn't be crowned in the middle and go both sides, it would be pitched so that it's all drained to one side.
20:21:02 And what happens with it having your anxiety? I don't know, since we haven't designed the road yet.
20:21:06 You know, but typically what would happen in any situation with any heavy rain is that the system would be full.
20:21:12 And you'd end up storing water in your roadway, and ultimately, what we would think would be a part of the roadway design would also be a modification to your existing South Florida permit that would increase your discharge rate. And what about, uh, if the road gets flooded and is undermined?
20:21:28 I mean, there's a lot of what-ifs, you know, with an asteroid hit the roadway, we can't predict a lot of stuff, but what would happen? I mean, I said that in just, but ultimately, there's a lot of what-ifs that were even going out on a limb here, making an estimate.
20:21:42 Without design bikes. I mean, we're basing it on an 8.5x11.
20:21:46 Technical process, as Aubrey mentioned, basically. We're going to go ahead and make assumptions based on linear footage, mileage of the roadway.
20:21:56 And assumed estimates of quantities of material, cubic yardage, but a lot of that will be determined when we have a full cup of ground survey, and ultimately, with some final decisions are made as to whether you want.
20:22:08 Millings, special footing, which is going to be a lot more expensive.
20:22:12 Where I asked what happened. For your trails, and then… I just want to make sure that the number… Well, no, no, and that's what I meant. We never like to be low bid, and that's why that range goes all the way up to almost $9 million below.
20:22:23 Because there's a lot of unknowns. But make no mistake.
20:22:27 There's, you know, paving their roadways isn't going to change how their roadways handle.
20:22:33 Rain right now. Yeah, correct. You know, with our history. Um, if we have a foot of water.
20:22:40 Two weeks on asphalt with traffic. We didn't invest $6 million in a project, but we should ensure.
20:22:51 That we have the proper drainage to hand… in 2000… 12 when Tropical Storm Isaac.
20:23:00 27 inches of rain in 9 hours. Worsfield Boulevard Drake in 24 hours.
20:23:07 Roasted ranch is drained in mandates. And then we lost some of our base and 414 sill as a result of that, because it sat down underwater for so long.
20:23:16 No, that's… absolutely, it's gonna have to… it's gonna have to address that.
20:23:21 But it's not going to be… you're going to have water in your roads. But you're right, it's the duration that's going to impact the pavement.
20:23:29 Condition, and that's going to be accommodated in the advantage design, and ultimately.
20:23:34 Hopefully, as everybody's echoed, is that we want to make sure to increase that outfall rate, because right now, you guys are… You know, it's coming out in peaceful. Right. You know, on the, uh, structure.
20:23:48 What if that link under, uh, under the… Yeah, well, that's what we're talking about. That's it.
20:23:55 There will be water from the bridal trail to the swell, so it will go under the basement. I'm not sure what the design looks like. Well, yeah, that's gonna add to the cost quite a bit. And then you have cleaning… Oh, no, I'm just saying, that's… there's a cost to that. An inch of water is 25,000 gallons.
20:24:16 An acreage, so if we have a storm that dumps. 10 inches on 600 acres.
20:24:23 That's 600, whatever the math is, it's a couple… 100 million gallons of water.
20:24:30 That right now flows out of it. 20, uh, 32-inch pipe.
20:24:35 Not enough. But, if I understand correctly, Jim. Uh, what you just said was that parturns swells are almost at capacity.
20:24:45 Shoot, anything will happen. Bad happen? Which is not what you thought we have. Or somebody said that we have plenty of capacity.
20:24:56 With the current swells, which begs the question here. We might have no choice but to get this survey done so that we understand.
20:25:04 Trueca plans to use as well. As well for the outfall that our big problem, as we can't get rid of it. Yeah, right. It's exactly… it's the hydrodynamics that… yeah.
20:25:16 All right. And modifying the permit, it's a…
20:25:23 Being part of her design. Look at that. Ultimately, South Florida still have to approve it first. The goal would be, hopefully, to convey that.
20:25:32 The condition of the community now is different from when that drainage system was originally put in place and designed.
20:25:39 There are other precautions in terms of. Floods or rain or storms coming in is… I've got a direct line to South Florida Water.
20:25:50 Let them know when they pump us down. I mean, they'll pump us down so there's more reserve capacity.
20:25:55 To handle that type of thing. So. You have to be a bit proactive about that.
20:26:00 Yes.
20:26:06 Like, there's the option instead of filling it with sand, to use, you know.
20:26:10 Rock that holds water so you're not dumping all your water. There's a lot of that in the design that can be managed.
20:26:16 If that's the way the community decides to go, but… I think all of this is a good point for us to continue to discuss. I think Carrie needs to be able to.
20:26:23 Decide what's going on in the form that's going out to us to say yes or no, so that.
20:26:28 If we'd say yes, they figure out how to spend the money. If we say no, we celebrate the fact that hopefully we had no hurricanes this year, and let's just move it along and celebrate not for… Okay. For whatever reason…
20:26:42 I would like to try to get this done tonight. Because I don't want to push it off to November, because that pushes it off to January to get anything done.
20:26:50 And again, nothing would be spent. Until we get the vote back.
20:26:56 So, we're gonna have to work on this, so… I guess we'll work on the…
20:27:01 We'd have to work on the ballots. We've… We know, basically, we have a guideline for that.
20:27:06 That we can put on the ballots and get sent out.
20:27:10 What we're looking at in reality is… saying yes to… approximately, if… do we need an exact number, or can we just go with a hundred and…
20:27:23 $77,000… Yeah, $177,000.
20:27:27 Is what it would. Take to… get the survey…
20:27:34 Uh, get the, um… the payment for the…
20:27:40 You say half of the design work. And… I didn't write that down.
20:27:47 Was he 82? Um…
20:27:52 I'm sorry? You know, the geotech of 17.
20:27:59 82,695 is what? Survey. That's a survey. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
20:28:07 Okay, and then the 80 is roughly the figure, okay, for the design.
20:28:13 He said it was $171,000 and half of that, right? That's 85.
20:28:21 No, no, we… No, we have to get the survey done.
20:28:26 Which is 86… 82,695. We have to get the geotech done, which is 17.9. It's a little over 100,000.
20:28:35 And then the design… uh, half of the design.
20:28:41 Is 80, is that a number of good we can go with?
20:28:44 Okay. And then, from that design.
20:28:51 I mean, at this point, if it's agreed that we're going to spend the 6 to 9 million dollars, if the.
20:28:57 If they vote on it, then… then we're moving forward. Pretty much.
20:29:03 Okay. Did we move forward?
20:29:08 I don't know when the bonds… when would you, but Mauricio, can you answer that?
20:29:15 Very preliminary data on just the numbers. Not going to be on the Palm Beach County, uh, board.
20:29:21 For this year? Probably not. No, it couldn't be till after the bond is put in place.
20:29:29 Am I wrong on that? We wouldn't start until after we know.
20:29:33 We're going to be down the line… down the line, and the bonds are going to be in place that's going to be sometime after that is when the… when it would start.
20:29:47 Yeah, what the… Yeah.
20:29:52 When the bond is… that's what I'm thinking, it would probably start when the bond is approved. But you're talking about having the work done in… I think… I heard the figure a couple of months.
20:30:02 So, it would… Well, depending… depending on weather and when it starts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's a lot of factors involved, if that's the case.
20:30:12 That's today's… Where's that number come to, Betty? What's that? But I… we just added up. The 82, 17, and the 80? Yeah.
20:30:20 I've got $186.99. 186… $180,000.
20:30:27 $6.95.
20:30:31 What will not get done if we spend $180,000, uh, we hadn't planned on?
20:30:38 We're… if it comes back no. If the vote comes back no, we're not spending anything.
20:30:44 If the vo…
20:30:52 What is it that we are not going to? Wow. We needed the $180,000 for.
20:31:00 No, no. The bond's gonna pay you back. The bond will pay it back. We're not… Pine Tree's not spending that.
20:31:09 Everything else is in the budget. I mean, there's nothing to do with the… The bond will pay back all of these preliminary… Yes. Yes.
20:31:18 Yes. Plus, whatever's involved in actually doing the project. Right. Okay.
20:31:27 All right, I'm not quite sure how to write this, but basically, I'm gonna make a proposal.
20:31:32 That the board will commit to spending. 180,695.
20:31:41 Contingent upon a vote that's going to be sent out. Uh, via…
20:31:50 We… priority mail. Registered priority member. Registered… registered or prior, yeah, some type of a priority mail.
20:32:00 Uh, the… That's a very precise number. Oh, yeah, well…
20:32:09 What's a good size? This is all based on estimates.
20:32:12 Okay, well, the survey… that was the survey cost. I under… the 82695 is the survey cost, and the geotech cost, I thought those were costs that are there.
20:32:23 I mean, I just… and then… 80 is what the design. I mean, I'm not… I'll do it. I will take these prices are good for the next 45 days.
20:32:36 Well, let's say the next 60 days, because we gotta generate all the letters.
20:32:40 Yeah. And everything else, so… you know, give us, what, hopefully 15 days to get the letters together? Okay, let's do…
20:32:48 185? Okay. All right. Okay, okay. We change that to 185.
20:32:56 Betty? So, it's going to be contingent on the vote.
20:33:02 That's going to… go out following the guidelines that I read earlier. Including costs.
20:33:10 Including what? Including possible costs. Yeah, oh, yes, absolutely, including… that's what I was getting to at…
20:33:18 Yeah, yeah, the overall cost would be $6 to $9 million, and we're gonna.
20:33:22 Break that down in a cost per acre.
20:33:30 Yes. Which acres? Is this over the whole district? Because South Florida Water Management is not… No, no, no, just in…
20:33:40 We're talking to the ag also? We're just talking… Rustic Ranches?
20:33:44 600 wealth? Section, I would think districts, uh, Section 1 and 2.
20:33:53 Which would include, um… The tree farm, huh?
20:33:57 The blue… You're saying tag also? Well, they're ag.
20:34:02 Which was Big Blue. Yeah. And then the… South Florida Water.
20:34:07 No, no, no, there's big blue, and then there's, uh… the guy that owns, what, 50-some-odd acres, what's his name, Chris?
20:34:16 Oh, Sheldon. Okay. That would include both those lots, right?
20:34:21 I would think that it should. Yeah, okay. Okay? I mean, I'm just putting this together so we can all work at it.
20:34:34 The… the cost. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that would be…
20:34:41 That would…
20:34:46 Is that part of Prime. I mean, it's part of poultry, but he's not part of us at branches.
20:34:51 It has to be on the map that was shown right there. Well, Sector 1 and 2 covers everything except.
20:34:58 South Florida Water. Okay.
20:35:04 Um. So the cost of vac… what else needs to be on that? So the cost per acre.
20:35:10 Uh, per month. Is that what you're…
20:35:18 $6,000 for the 7,000 YT. That needs to be very clear… Yeah, you're looking… you said annual costs? Okay, as long as it's…
20:35:27 Per acre. Per acre, annual cost. Okay. This way, if you have 14, you can do the math, and if you have… No, no, no, no, I think that was a great idea.
20:35:36 Okay, so it's going to be the annual cost per acre.
20:35:40 Per… yeah, that's per year. So it's going to be annual cost per acre.
20:35:46 Yeah. What else needs to… what other information. You think he needs to go in? That's basically…
20:35:56 Assessment in one lump sum, rather than pay the interest. Over 10 years. You say, can you? Yeah. No, can. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He should be able to. Yeah, yeah, of course.
20:36:07 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But does that come through the bond?
20:36:15 A note at the bottom saying. When cost… when final costs.
20:36:22 Our bid, should the project be approved. Yeah. That a… One-time assessment fee.
20:36:28 Can be made available to any homeowner desiring it, or you can choose the 30-year commitment option. Right. Because there are some people out there, they got farms that in, they're writing those kind of checks just for maintenance every year.
20:36:40 And there's other people like me mowing their own damned grass.
20:36:43 So, I mean, I think, you know, if they want to pay a one-time assessment.
20:36:48 Were you able to get that, Betty, or…? Yeah. Does she need the microphone? No, it's… you got it? Okay.
20:36:58 There might be provisions that require the payment. The entire assessment.
20:37:04 If there is a change of ownership. So the parcel… if a parcel change hands.
20:37:13 Then the assessment for that parcel might become… it's like a lien. Well, yeah, and that's how it always is, though. That's the way I thought… No, but that's… so… so… Yeah, right, right, right. I thought that was the norm. Yeah, everybody's on the same page, yeah.
20:37:35 Got it. I don't understand exactly what you had to say about, uh.
20:37:41 Uh, the other properties in Rustic Ranch and Amber Pine Tree.
20:37:46 Included in an assessment. I guess I don't really get that, because they're not part of.
20:37:52 Rusted branches, and that changes the acreage. So, uh, can you explain that?
20:37:58 I don't know what there is to explain. Yes. I'm sorry? I'll just ask you who…
20:38:06 What the owner's name was. Oh. Kelvin. I thought… Yeah, no, I asked you what… I thought you were talking about including that in the, uh.
20:38:16 Is it Section 1 or 2? We're good on that.
20:38:23 There's three dis… there's three sectors. Yeah. In Pine Tree.
20:38:29 Okay? The… Okay, the South Florida water is one.
20:38:34 But they're… they're not in with us in terms of the vote.
20:38:41 Uh… and Sheldon being involved.
20:38:46 They would have votes. They would vote whether they won it or not. No?
20:38:52 Beneficiaries, they're not residents across the branch. This is a rustic Ranches issue.
20:38:57 So… You shouldn't have a boat.
20:39:04 He's not fans of the road. Why should he… He's paying taxes on it. Yeah, they're paying taxes.
20:39:10 Yeah, I would think. Staying a road cave, but he's closed himself.
20:39:16 Good question, and I don't pretend to understand this here, folks, but quick question.
20:39:23 So they get a vote, but would they be… if they get a vote, that's one thing. Would they be assessed, is the other question I have for you. Yes. So they would share the assessment with us? Yes.
20:39:35 That's how I see it, you know, and… That's probably 194? Hm?
20:39:42 Thanks. As someone who is not within. The, you know, the rectangle picture that was up there on the slide.
20:39:51 Would be better than a vote, Anne? Assessed when they don't live in Hostic Rangers community.
20:39:59 And in the same… going to use at our roads all the time. They're up to down.
20:40:05 With everything, like, trucks and… Yeah, we are.
20:40:15 I don't know how many acres are in section… I know how many acres are in Rusty. In Rustick Ranches. In Rustick Ranches, that's right.
20:40:26 Question, though. Is our drainage connected to theirs? Does rusted branches.
20:40:31 Operate on a different drainage pump-out than Big Blue and whatever, because… No. The system would enhance.
20:40:37 Their drainage as well, so then, yes, there should be a continuity. What also would enhance is property values.
20:40:44 I believe, if the whole area, the property values go up in the whole area.
20:40:49 It… they would… they would benefit from that. Definitely.
20:40:55 Exactly, yeah.
20:41:01 Yes, they are. Yes, yes. Yeah, yes. One time, they were part of Acme and part of Big Blue. I mean, part of, uh…
20:41:10 Yeah, that happened several years ago. Alright. So let's move forward.
20:41:24 Did you find that? What's that? Did you find the acre? No, I think we passed that. I think we're okay on that. Okay.
20:41:30 So, so the proposal would be… That we will make available $185,000.
20:41:38 That would be spent contingent upon. A return vote.
20:41:44 Of yes to pave the roads. According to the voting procedure that I…
20:41:54 That I stated. Or, no, we won't spend it if the… if it comes back no.
20:42:02 Is that…? What percentage? Yes, but…
20:42:10 What were we looking at? 60%? 60… Well, I mean… Look at 60%.
20:42:18 That's probably more fair. 60% is the threshold. Threshold is 60. Well, I mean, legally, all you need is 50 plus 1. 50, yeah, yeah. But because people… change their mind, come and go out of ownership. That's fine. 60%? That's what… historically, that's what… we agree on 60%?
20:42:39 Of the 125. 60% of the return.
20:42:45 Well, draft, and farm. Okay. Well, that's different, because… because acne… Acme in Saddle Trail.
20:42:53 Is dependent on Wellington. In pine trees, not.
20:42:57 Correct. So… whatever figure it's willing to use might not be relevant for our case. We're an district, they're not a discriminates district.
20:43:08 So that's correct, just after he's an actual dependent district of the village, so when we did Saddle Trail, we had to do that as the village rather than Acme.
20:43:15 But generally, for whether we're looking at water and sewer, or whether we're looking at drainage, any of the issues that have come before for assessments.
20:43:24 Uh, the only thing that's really… to get a majority, just simple majority, 50% plus 1?
20:43:31 Uh, for planning purposes, we look at two-thirds initially, given that if you're going to do an initial.
20:43:38 Well, you don't want to get that initial simple majority, and then at some point when you get it, you're gonna pull the trigger, so to speak, on the project.
20:43:45 If minds to have changed, then fall below the majority vote, then we've got an issue.
20:43:50 But if you're, again, doing a final vote at that. Weston.
20:43:55 Yeah, that's what we're always trying to 60. 60. So then 60 would be the… Yeah, that's fine. Yeah.
20:44:04 Okay.
20:44:12 5060. Well… And that's what he said they do? That's what he said.
20:44:16 No, he's… he said it's simple. A simple majority.
20:44:21 Or… I don't want to go with a simple majority.
20:44:26 And… okay. So, so… So if we take… if we take that…
20:44:38 All turned out the case that if something goes wrong in the future… Yeah.
20:44:42 That you need to have a cushion, and all I'm saying is he suggested that the cushion was at 60.
20:44:48 And the thirds, which is 66%. Which is not that much off of Mr. Brown's 60%.
20:44:55 I'll just… we don't need that cushion. You don't need anyone. Technically.
20:45:01 If the board says it has… it's not… Oh, yeah, if the board says, yeah, like, 50.1 is OE.
20:45:10 I would not go for that. Yeah, I know, I agree.
20:45:15 Yeah. But she wants to go 66. Yeah, good thing. I think it would be more of a headache. 50, 60.
20:45:22 64?
20:45:29 63, 51, 61… 15… 7…
20:45:39 We do 60… 63%.
20:45:44 63%. I'm just… I'm just trying to find common ground. It's taking so long because we're trying to find common grounds.
20:45:55 We're just splitting it between 60 and 66. That's very fair. Roughly. 63%. Okay.
20:46:01 Do we have enough to put the proposal together? I'll try to go over it one more time, so…
20:46:08 So, I will propose that we… would agree to spend $185,000.
20:46:14 Uh, toward the road paving. Contingent upon.
20:46:21 The vote that… We will get from the landowners.
20:46:26 And the… the go will be 63%.
20:46:31 The no-go will be 61%. Well, I think my opinion at that point, the community votes.
20:46:39 In the community says… do it. Yeah. At that point, we're not committing now to $185,000.
20:46:47 We're committed to moving forward with the project. Correct. Correct. Isn't that what you want to do? That's what you're… that's… that's what… if… I mean… There is no more as for that. If the community votes… If the community votes for it, then that's… but, uh…
20:47:06 What I left out of there, I'm sorry, we have to put in there is that we are going to include the cost of what this is going to be.
20:47:14 Uh, at an annual cost per acre. It'll take time to write this out. Do we have enough…
20:47:21 Do we have enough information, Betty to… put that together. Yeah.
20:47:26 Okay. And plus, I can call you tomorrow morning. Huh? I can call you DeMar, can I? Yeah.
20:47:30 Yeah, the question is… Yes.
20:47:37 You're considering… Shelton's happening.
20:47:41 Because he's part of my trip. Would that also include big boot, or would their booze was?
20:47:49 Okay, big… And that fully. Yeah.
20:47:54 They aren't. They are in sectors 1 or 2. Yes. Okay. Okay.
20:48:02 Thank you. Do I need to put it as a proposal? At this point, no. Should I go over it one more time, and then we're gonna vote on it? I'll try to get all of it.
20:48:14 We're going to spend… propose to spend $185,000 to get the project started.
20:48:21 It's going to be contingent on the return vote. Uh, of the ballots that we're going to send out, and on the ballots that we're going to send out, we are going to include the cost.
20:48:35 That will equal 6 to 9 million dollars. A range of $6-9 million, but it'll also include the annual cost per acre that somebody would pay.
20:48:46 Uh, we would do that on a 6 million… 8 million, 9 million, or… 6, 7, 8, 9? 7, 8, and 9? Okay, just… just figure the cost on the 7, 8, and 9. 6, 7, 8, 9. 6, 7, 8, 9.
20:49:00 We can do four. Okay, 6, 7, 8, 9.
20:49:09 Um… that's a proposal. If I have a second? Second.
20:49:20 Okay.
20:49:27 We're going to propose roadway new sketch Plan. The roadway new sketch Plan, since nobody ever attends these meetings but us 20.
20:49:37 There's going to be a proposed sketch plan, like you have there, of what they're voting on. Like, there's enough money that some description of… Okay, so your site, right?
20:49:48 Is that what… is that what you're proposing? No, I think what Jenny's saying is good. No, we'll have that included with.
20:49:53 Yeah. And put that on the ballot. So, this is what you're voting for, that this is how you want your road to look, with asphalt and new swale and whatever, because otherwise, I'm like, hey, I'm paying for money for what? I don't understand what it includes. Okay, to attach it to his…
20:50:10 And we'll put it on the ballot. We'll put in the ballot. We'll put it on the ballot.
20:50:16 No, but if he's got a website, or he's got a place that you can go to look at it, just put the… just put the.
20:50:25 You know what I mean? If you've got a website that you can look at it, and just go to www whatever.
20:50:30 Or wherever… I have this slide. Okay, if you have a slideshow presentation, all you need to do is go into that.
20:50:38 The person who could look at it, and you could see the whole project. Okay. Two more… there's two more things that we need… that we need to do.
20:50:49 On the agenda. Ruben? You… we have a proposal for the cleanup and the canal? Yeah, I got a proposal on the cleaning of the, uh, North Canal.
20:50:58 Which runs east and west. How much is that? And the South Canal, which also runs east and west. Okay.
20:51:05 And the squigglies. Now, this is not a dredging. We're not dredging it, we're not pulling any sludge or anything out of it. What we're trying to do is just get.
20:51:15 Material that may be floating on the top, maybe a pallet, maybe any debris.
20:51:21 That may be into the canals, and out of the canals. Have a growth, like, weeds… the growth in weeds. Wow.
20:51:28 Gotta get those out of this Quigley. For sure. Well… You know, that's… I'm gonna talk to him about that.
20:51:35 But it's more of a cleaning, not a dredging, where we're actually… where we're actually pulling out soot.
20:51:42 You know, which would be the weeds and everything else. Which is going to be totally a different thing. That's going to be, you know, more of a dredging, more of that black material that we're pulling out of there. I think some of them are going to have to have that, those squigglies have to have that. Well, no, not the squigglies, no, not the squigglies, definitely. Okay, all right. No, no, there's no question about that. The eastern…
20:52:02 West Canals, which is a larger canals, either to the north, very far north or very far south.
20:52:07 Okay. We're just talking about the debris off the tops. Yeah. …so water can move. The squigglies, they need to be re-dug.
20:52:16 And re-banked. Yeah. And that includes that. And that includes that, yes. Okay, yeah.
20:52:21 Yeah. Okay. And that quote was, uh, I believe $19,000. Which is… which is a good quote. That's a good quote. That is a good quote. Yeah, no, it's a good quote. Yeah. Um, he said it would take him about, uh, 3 weeks. Okay.
20:52:38 All right. And he'll haul all this stuff out. The squiggly south of… Norris. You know, that's covered in that. No, no, no, he's not gonna touch that. We're just gonna touch the ignition. He can clean it out before that, because that's just gonna end up going down in his sink. Okay. Yeah, yeah, and if they need to be re-banked.
20:52:57 He will rebank them. Okay. Okay, uh, make a proposal that we spend the money to do that.
20:53:04 Yeah, I'd like to make a proposal to get those done. Oh, so, okay, okay.
20:53:15 We already set the final trim, right? Yeah, set the final… the trim is set at 2… at.
20:53:21 2.35. 2.35 and 45.
20:53:27 Chris… Chris. I'm gonna let her talk? You… Chris! In fact, here's another benefit for my…
20:53:36 What I was going to say. I'm not going to say it here. Okay.
20:53:39 Okay. Our next meeting is scheduled at… on 11.3, however.
20:53:46 We're going to… have to schedule a special meeting to do the vote count.
20:53:53 I think… I believe that's the best way to do it, and… That way, everybody will be here.
20:53:59 What's that? Well, it will let everybody… it'll be public, and everybody will be able to see it.
20:54:09 What, the vote count? Yeah. A night! I'm not ain't gonna get on until it's 10 o'clock. Yeah.
20:54:21 Yeah, that, that'll put us before… Why don't you… Okay, that a… If we do… I didn't… I missed something. What did I miss?
20:54:30 The things out tonight! Ah, yeah, yeah. Maybe what we can do, depends on where that falls, maybe what we can do is just…
20:54:40 Do that instead of the November meeting? Would that… Is that okay? Well, it might take us, what, 15 days now to get everything together? It's gonna be at least… it'll take a while to get… a little bit to get it together, then… Take us to get…
20:54:52 To get these ballots together, printed up, you know, what, 15 days or so?
20:54:59 Well, I'm just, you know, let's put it in a scenario, then.
20:55:02 You know, worst scenario, 15 days. And then there's another 45 days attached to that.
20:55:08 So we're looking at a 60-day… Turn around.
20:55:14 Okay, so September, October 18th. So we're getting close to November.
20:55:19 So we could… can you check your schedule? Uh, what date were you? Somewhere around October 18th.
20:55:28 Yeah, I'd have to look at… I can let you know. We're flexible on that. It's a Monday night, right? Okay.
20:55:38 Maybe that would cancel one day. Okay, if there's nothing else…
20:55:43 We can recover the dangers. Now, we haven't yet. Yeah, well, right now, we're gonna just let it at that, and we'll call for a special meeting.
20:55:55 Those involved? Nate and, uh, Gary will get together. Okay, so he can get with me. She's allowed to talk to us, we just can't. Oh, I just… We can't talk among ourselves. Each other, but I can ask Betty a question.
20:56:10 And she can forward the question. No, no forward. No, no, no, no, no, no.
20:56:15 No. Just initial. …developed the service. Yeah. Probably, yeah, he's a supervisor. We want to look at it, but this…
20:56:27 Yeah, it's just weird. Everything normally in now about the bill was…
20:56:38 Okay. I'm gonna make a motion that we adjourn the meeting.